Tracing an illusive Railway employee, London, 1930s

[mckha489]

£257 (final) handed Spiers
(Char gen  ‘good’ but on discharge ‘indifferent’)

[BobB1]

£257 (final) handed Spiers
(Char gen  ‘good’ but on discharge ‘indifferent’)

Character, generally good, but on discharge, indifferent. What of the £257, was that his accumulated salary paid on release? I recall my early Army days, your money was accrued and you were paid a portion. Is this the same, perhaps? Hard to imagine it was a fine.

Sc00p - you make a very valid point re his age and height.

Jool - The Daley Sisters, so close, yet so far. I would have fallen for that also.

[BobB1]

Further to Jool's court hearing find for Edward Spiers in 1912

Here is attached info providing more detail of the case

[Jool]

Part of the Edward Spiers newspaper report was somehow missed off Bob's previous post, here is the rest of it.

Update. I see Bob has updated his post so I have removed my image 

[MollyC]

Edwards Spiers death was 15 May 1913

  Reply #122, p14

There appears to be a burial record for Edward Spiers in Findagrave and Witton Cemetery records, May 1913.  No middle name, but correct age and month.

https://birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/#

[fiddlerslass]

Re the licensed Victualler job on the death certificate:
You mentioned a brother of Edward had a stint as an Innkeeper. Were there any other family members with pub links who may have given Edward a job after the court case?

Are there any records for license holders in Birmingham City Archives?
Any mention in newspapers- often reported on changes of licences etc.

[Jool]

Edwards Spiers death was 15 May 1913

  Reply #122, p14

There appears to be a burial record for Edward Spiers in Findagrave and Witton Cemetery records, May 1913.  No middle name, but correct age and month.

https://birminghamburialrecords.co.uk/#

The Birmingham Burial Records site doesn’t show any middle names in their search so it can be difficult to pin down the right person.  However, I think you have located the correct burial.

[MollyC]

He died 15 Aug 1943

Reply #12, page 2

There is also a record at Witton for "Alfred Wilson  Unknown - 1943"
Burial Sep 1943
Worth checking.

[BobB1]

Molly C

Well done. The burial you have found for an Edward Spiers at Witton cemetery in 1913 does seem valid. The one for an Albert Spiers in 1943 also is possible. I'm wondering how Madge would have born the cost of that transportation and burial - unless she contacted the family and they helped? If its somehow proven to be him, that would be a great step forward and provide the missing link don't you think?

Fiddlerslass - Its entirely possible. But why state licensed Victualler 9 years after his death when Jeweller was on his death cert? I found the reference to brother Albert as an Innkeeper on the 1901 census after a long day at the library - The Grosvenor Tavern. 21 Grosvenor Rd, Aston Manor. I can't find reference to that 'tavern' but there was a Grovesnor Arms at No 44. By 1911 census, Albert is a Goldsmith, but he might also still be running the pub? Albert was certainly doing well for himself if he lived in Lozells