James McCoo and Elizabeth Marlay (Marley) research help please

[Kiltaglassan]

...because the Mary I'm looking for had children Isabella, John, Mary and Catherine Jane.

Her children-

Isabella Lowe born 6 January 1897 at 4 Ton Street, Belfast.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813318.pdf

John Lowe born 1899, Mary Elizabeth born 1900, Mary Lowe born 1907, Jane Lowe born 1909, Francis Lowe born 1911.
http://tinyurl.com/3tv33ehd

You may have these census records for the Lowe family, but just adding them for others who might be following this thread-

Lowe family in 1901 census
House 34.1 in Sultan Street (Falls, Antrim).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Falls/Sultan_Street/952431/

1911 census - Lowe
House 38 in Ton Street (Falls (Belfast), Antrim).
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Falls__Belfast_/Ton_Street/182091/

[tillyann]

...because the Mary I'm looking for had children Isabella, John, Mary and Catherine Jane.

Her children-
John Lowe born 1899, Mary Elizabeth born 1900, Mary Lowe born 1907, Jane Lowe born 1909, Francis Lowe born 1911.
http://tinyurl.com/3tv33ehd

Thank you Kiltaglassan.
I didn't have Francis. I've never heard of him. I only knew of 4 children although Mary had 5 according to the 1911 Census -4 living. No idea of who the other one was.
At first I didn't think Francis was theirs, but he has to be as it is the same address on the birth entry as the Census return. I'll have to quiz the only living relative I know (their granddaughter) about this. Interesting.
 

[tillyann]

James McCoo b. 1824/25 marries Elizabeth Marlay (sic) in the record/ Marley. They marry 16 January 1851 in the Catholic Parish Church, Drumcree, Armagh. They have James, Elizabeth, Francis, Mary, Ann, Bridget, John and Felix -all born in Armagh.

The son John McCooe arrived after the introduction of civil birth registration and his 1866 birth record gives their address as 'Curglass', which I think might be Corglass a.k.a. Aghanergill in Drumcree C.P., for Griffith's Valuation shows a James McCooe leasing a house there, the local print date was 1864.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03522/2295874.pdf

https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-west/drumcree/breagh/aghanergill/

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

Thank you Gaffy, that is brilliant.

[Kiltaglassan]

I didn't have Francis but I don't think he can be their child which is a pity because it would solve a mystery.

Why would he not be their child?
Born at 38 Ton Street ....... the address where they're living in the 1911 census.   MMN McCoo and his father John Lowe, a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01513/1614452.pdf

I knew from the 1911 Census that Mary had given birth to 5 children but I didn't know who the 5th one was. I have only ever known of 4.

The 1911 census indicates 5 children born, 4 still living.

Mary Elizabeth Lowe died on 29 April 1901 (~4 weeks after census) at 34 Sultan Street.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05730/4617243.pdf

[gaffy]

... Mary was living at 24 Marchioness St when she receives a Widow's Pension on 11 June 1926 ...

John Lowe died at 24 Marchioness Street, Belfast, of chronic bronchitis on 17 May 1926 at a reported age of 53, described as a married ex-soldier, the informant present at death was his daughter Mary of the same address, presumably the one who married Thomas McArdle 5 months later.

[gaffy]

Here is the marriage - 16th January 1851 - James McCooe and eluzabeth Marlay/ey
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632568#page/106/mode/1up

There is a note re a dispensation below it but I don’t know if it applies to that marriage or the one below. Hopefully, someone can advise.

On balance of probabilities, I think that the dispensation in the 3rd and 4th degrees of consanguinity pretty well has to apply to James and Elizabeth.  It's not as if it has been squeezed in as an afterthought between two entries, rather it has been deliberately given its own space, so IMHO it logically follows the entry above, rather than pre-empting the entry below.

[gaffy]

John Lowe died at 24 Marchioness Street, Belfast, of chronic bronchitis on 17 May 1926 at a reported age of 53, described as a married ex-soldier, the informant present at death was his daughter Mary of the same address, presumably the one who married Thomas McArdle 5 months later.

I couldn't find a death notice online for him (which might confirm burial details) but I wouldn't rule out Milltown Cemetery.  BTW, I noticed that a son of James McCoo junior and Maria Hanlon was buried in public ground at Milltown in 1887, so others like James senior who died in 1900 might be in the cemetery too.

I have limited knowledge of what it's like dealing with Milltown Cemetery - hopefully others reading will have some knowledge and can advise you.  According to the information in the following forum link, you can ring them up and they will answer simple queries for free, but anything more than that, like details of who else is in a grave with someone, will cost you.

https://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=83718.0

[tillyann]

Why would he not be their child?
Born at 38 Ton Street ....... the address where they're living in the 1911 census.   MMN McCoo and his father John Lowe, a labourer.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01513/1614452.pdf

Sorry Kiltaglassan, I had altered the original reply I gave, we must have crossed. Francis is obviously their son. I have spoken to my Aunt (Kathleen Lowe's daughter) and this is all news to her. She is enjoying learning about the family though

[tillyann]

That's fantastic Gaffy, thanks. I will definitely follow up with the Milltown Cemetery. I might be in luck