Cannot Find Ernest James Bates 1921 Census

[RobinOz]

I am trying to find a 1921 census entry for Ernest James Bates born 6 Jan 1912 in Manchester.
I have his parents Ernest James Bates born Dec 1884 in Whitehaven and his Wife Susan Esther Bird born 1887 in Wales.
They are both shown in the census, to living relative's surprise the census page lists a Lawrence Bowman as an adopted child born 1919 but not Ernest James Bates born 1912 or his brother Herbert Jethro Bates born 1917 in Manchester.
I have Ernest born 1912 in the 1939 register but can't find Herbert Jethro in it. Relatives say Herbert died in 1988 in Flixton.
If anyone can find them in the 1921 census could they please let me know what search criteria they use, I've tried all i can think of.
Thank you
Rob

[mckha489]

Herbert Jethro likely doesn’t show in 1939 because he was already enlisted in armed forces.

Death Herbert Jethro Bates died 27 July 1978
Burial Manchester
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=5283679

Deaths Sep 1978   (>99%)
BATES    HERBERT LETHRO    10DE1917    TRAFFORD    39   1625

Seems likely since his birth wasn’t registered until the March quarter of 1918


Have you looked at extended family in 1921?.
It was Summer.  They could have been staying with relatives “in the country” “at the beach”

[RobinOz]

mckha489,
That may explain Herbert in 1939 but i still can't find him in 1921.
Thank you

[amondg]

Do you have a copy of the birth certificate?
How certain are you you have the correct parents?

[mckha489]

mckha489,
That may explain Herbert in 1939 but i still can't find him in 1921.

I am having no luck either.
I thought Ernest could be at school say under E. J.
Or they could both be in hospital with initials only
Or they are staying with someone and have been indexed with an incorrect surname .  Frustrating.

[amondg]

Baptism

Ernest James Bates 11 January 1911 St John Hulme parents Ernest James Bates and Susan Esther Bates  - father Groom.  This child died 1911 birth and death registered Chorlton

Lilian Bates bap 4 February 1914 parents Ernest James Bates and Susan Esther Bates at St Paul Hulme.  Father labourer  This child died 1915. Birth and death registered Chorlton.

1921 this couple has the adopted child and they are living on Essex Street, Hulme.

Per GRO Index this couple also has Harold born 1921 and a William Arthur born 1919 Reg. Chorlton
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The Ernest James Bates 1912 and Herbert Jethro Bates 1918 were both registered  Manchester with mother's maiden name Bird.

I think they are 2 different couples. Hence my question do you have a birth certificate.

[Kay99]

Ernest James Bates born 1912 was also baptised at St John Hulme on 12 Jan 1912 Parents Ernest James and Susan Esther Bates

Kay

[Dundee]

The 1921 census posted on an online tree has the two boys included in their number of living children.  They are not with their maternal grandfather and aunts Emily and Rosina BIRD.  I would be looking at all other relatives, as mckha489 has said they may enumerated or indexed under the household surname.

Debra 

[RobinOz]

Thank you everyone for your efforts, at least i know it isn't just some poor choice of search criteria i have been using. They just don't seem to be listed anywhere.
There was a younger Ernest who was born and died in 1911 to the parents.
I am confident in my information for Ernest and Herbert as i have been in contact with (and still trying to figure this out with him) his son who was born in 1947.
The did live on Essex street.
The search goes on.