Roman catholic marriage dispensation.

[kelsmell]

My 2nd x grandparents Francis O’Connor & Mary Ellen Whelan married 11 July 1893 at St Andrews Dublin, there’s a disp on the church marriage record i think i’ve always thought it was because Mary Ellen was pregnant she gave birth on the 16th July, I’ve recently read that pregnant wasn’t a reason. I've re-looked at it (still can’t make out what it means) and i’m now questioning it and was hoping for a second opinion.

Thanks

[gaffy]

Just providing a link to it, as some folk prefer to see it in context:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633504#page/59/mode/1up (no. 19)

At first glance, it looks like it might be 2nd and 3rd degrees (ie. of consanguinity).

Added: Or maybe something to do with the 2nd and 3rd banns?  The more I look, the more I'm unsure. Is the last word a shorthand for something like the latin 'proclamationis'?

[kelsmell]

Thanks gaffy,
I agree it’s a bit confusing.

[heywood]

Most other entries show ‘tres’ which presumably means there were three readings of banns.
The next column is ‘Impedimentum’, I think - which would likely be where impediments - consanguinity would be recorded.

Still not sure about the notation though. Maybe 2nd and 3rd banns not read?

[gaffy]

I think you're right.

[kelsmell]

Still not sure about the notation though. Maybe 2nd and 3rd banns not read?
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That's what i thought originally and not question it, but I thought i would double check as its not really clear.

If Mary was heavily pregnant would/could a priest rush the marriage through missing a bann or banns?

Was that done in the RC church in Ireland at the time, as i think of the RC church has been quite ridged. 

Thanks

[heywood]

I don't understand what seems like a ‘4’ before the 3.
Also it reads ‘paid’ which I wonder does it mean the marriage fee was paid (I don't see other similar annotations) or does it relate to the dispensation.

[kelsmell]

Good eyes it does look like paid, i thought poss prod.

I’ve looked through the records for that year & some say disp in banns some say 2 & 3 or two of one!

Beside the 2 looks like “do” or “dn” underlined and beside the 3 looks like “to” also underlined!
None of it makes sense to me !

I’m guessing if they were related there would be something written in the next box Impedimentum.

[gaffy]

... Beside the 2 looks like “do” or “dn” underlined and beside the 3 looks like “to” also underlined!
None of it makes sense to me !

I just assumed that the underlining was to denote superscript and that what follows the '2' and '3' is the latin convention for our '2nd' and '3rd' (maybe short for secundo and tertio?).

Added: Found something online, it is indeed 2^do and 3^tio, meaning just that.