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John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 06:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I am wondering if there is any way to check online the records for this marriage which several trees in Ancestry have put at Maybole, Ayrshire on 18 Dec 1824. I would really like to know who was John William Henry's father.

I have looked in the Scotlands People index and cannot see the marriage so I think someone must have looked at an original record? It would be good to know if there are old church records availabe that someone could have looked at.

I have several DNA matches in the family of John William Henry so I am fairly sure he was probably a cousin of my 3x gt grandfather Bryce Henry who was born c 1802 in Shanrod Co Down, son of Brice Henry born c1773.  There is a letter written by John William Henry to the Henry family  of Shanrod in 1840 from  Australia where they emigrated in 1838. The asterisks just note the families in which I have DNA matches. Isaac Henry was actually born on the ship "William Rodgers" while the passengers were still in quarantine. The older children were born in Kirkoswald.


FAMILY OF JOHN WILLLIAM HENRY AND MARGARET MCSEVENY
   Agnes Clara Henry      b c1823 m 1840 to EdwardSpinks
*   Thomas Henry      b 31 Jan 1826
   Adamea (Ellen) Henry   b 29 Mar 1828
John Nelson Henry      b 26 Feb 1830
Bryce Nelson Henry      b 8 Jul 1832
James Henry         b 17 Aug 1834
William Henry      b 26 Oct 1836
AUS   Isaac Henry         b 16 Dec 1838
   Hugh Henry         b 27 Nov 1840
*   Margaret Mary Henry   b 7 Aug 1842
   David Henry         b 11 Jul 1844
*   Jacob Henry         b 25 May 1846
   Agnes Henry         b 11 Oct 1848

Any help with the Scottish marriage record would be appreciated,

Cheers

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 March 24 07:18 GMT (UK) »
If you search Scotlands People for marriages in Maybole in 1824 with no names the nearest marriage that comes up is

ROSS MARION - ARCHIBALD MCGILL/FR1004 (FR1004) 05/12/1824   Maybole

If you pay to view their marriage on the parish records no marriage are shown for 18th Dec that year or the couple you are looking for

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 March 24 08:16 GMT (UK) »
Even if a marriage were found - for marriages around the 1820’s info was sparse so there is no guarantee it would contain details of parents.

Are you certain the children listed all belong to the same family?

You have an Agnes Clara b c1823 but then another Agnes b 1848 - 25yrs later??

If Agnes Clara married 1840 but parents married Dec 1824 unless she was born before the marriage she would only have been born 1825 so would have been 15 in 1840
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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 March 24 08:36 GMT (UK) »
John Hendrie/Margaret McLaveny
Marriage 9 Jan 1825, Maybole, Ayrshire, Scotland
(Familysearch.Org)

Headstone 1848 has him native of Glasgow and born c 1802
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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for your suggestions.

Trish, is that 1848 headstone you have for John Hendrie in Australia? The date of death I have for John William Henry is 20 July 1849, Riversdale.  So the marriage though similar is robably a differnt couple.

I have only really just started  actively searching this family myself now and those children listed are from other trees, and might not be accurate. I may have made the list several years ago (before I DNA tested) when I was looking to extend the family of my 3x gt grandfather Bryce Henry born c1802. By using the name Bryce as a marker I reached the following family.

Family of Brice Henry (1773-1852) and Mary Nelson (1772-1850)
James Henry      b Jun 1798   d 1849      m Mary Nelson
Agnes Henry      b c1801         m R Allen
*    Bryce Henry      b c1802    d 1879      m Eliza Ewing
Revd John Henry    b 1807      d 1885      m Eliza Porter
Nelson Henry      b c1810      d 1881      m Margaret Mulligan
*   Mary Henry      b c1813            m James McIlroy
Thomas Henry      b c 1815   d 1901      m Mary Jane Kirkpatrick
*   Isaac Henry      b c 1817   d 1884      m Mary Mulligan

Brice Henry of Shanrod Co Down also had a brother John Henry of Shanrod who married an Agnes Nelson, so I think the two children of John William Henry, John Nelson Henry and Bryce neslon Henry are named after them.

Regarding the frist child, there are trees who say Agnes Clara Henry, who married in 1840, as born in Kirkoswald  on 29 Mar 1824. In his letter back to Ireland, John William refers to her as his oldest daughter ( though not by name) and that she was married to an Edward Spenks (Spinks).

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Regarding the second Agnes born 1848, there is always the possibility she was actually a child of an older daughter though in NSW BDM index (I just looked) both birth and death show her parents names as John and Margaret.

Several trees refer to her as "Agnes the younger"!. This Agnes married an Edward Rolfe in 1865

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Kay

Thank you for that 1824 marriage. I had searched for any Henry (or Hendry) marriage in Maybole from 1820 to 1830 and found only one, a Mary Henry in 1823. But I have no idea if John William was in Ayrshire with other members of his family (for whom I have no records) or because he was there for work.

But is does show that Scotlands People does have some records from Maybole.

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:30 GMT (UK) »
HENDRIE JOHN MARGARET MCLAVENY/FR1004  09/01/1825  MAYBOLE

Based on Trish's post this looks like the record on Scotlands People

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Re: John William Henry marriage 1824 ro Margaret McSeveny
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 March 24 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Kay

I will go back to the marriages after I update my records with the Kirkoswald dates if births  for the children. Most briths show their mother as Margaret Savany.

It may be worth actually viewing  that marriage.