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Latin Feoffment 1497
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 04:50 BST (UK) »
I have a document (or part thereof) which is supposedly a Feoffment by John Barton junior to others regarding a parcel of land in Hadlow (Hadlo) Kent.

I am having great difficulty even getting a start on this, or even identifying phrases to be expected in such documents. Copy attached.

Is anyone able to help?
Michael
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
OXENBURY, Dorset
WILDE, Derbyshire

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 April 24 05:09 BST (UK) »
Here's a start, the first two lines:
Be it known present and future that we John Barton junior of Hadlo and Robert Brygys in the county of Kent have demised, conceded and by this present charter delivered to John Symon of Palmerstret(e) in Hadlo aforesaid, Thomas Stopfyld, John Crud, and John Walter, butcher,
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 April 24 05:16 BST (UK) »
Here's a start, the first two lines:
Be it known present and future that we John Barton junior of Hadlo and Robert Brygys in the county of Kent have demised, conceded and by this present charter delivered to John Symon of Palmerstret(e) in Hadlo aforesaid, Thomas Stopfyld, John Crud, and John Walter, butcher,

Thank you for that, at least I know that it is what I thought.  Dug up the copy in my Grandfathers files from years ago!
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
OXENBURY, Dorset
WILDE, Derbyshire

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 April 24 05:42 BST (UK) »
The lands are named Snodes, pocokk(es) and Newlond, located in Hadlow.

The measures aren't clear to me - it's 5 of a contracted word containing pec, then wood (bosci) preceded by another word which begins Grana__.

Then follows a section identifying the landholders located to east, south, west and north.

I can give the names but it will have to wait until tonight.


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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 April 24 05:46 BST (UK) »
I interpreted the start of that line as:

five parcels of land, grain (arable?) and wood, called...
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 April 24 07:51 BST (UK) »
A bit more, now that I've had my morning cuppa:

Be it known present and future that we John Barton junior of Hadlo and Robert Brygys in the county of Kent have demised, conceded and by this present charter delivered to John Symon of Palmerstret(e) in Hadlo aforesaid, Thomas Stoperfyld, John Crud, and John Walter, butcher, five parcels of land, grain (arable?), wood, called Snodes, Pocokk and Newlond in Hadlo aforesaid, with the land formerly of John Symon to the east, the land of John Bysschop to the south, the land of the aforesaid John and Lawrence Farman, and the heirs of Richard Bysschop to the west, and the land of the aforesaid William Symon, John Stabyll, and Peter Fyssher to the north ...
(skipping one line)
to have and to hold the aforesaid land with the grain and wood appertaining, to the aforesaid John Symon, Thomas Stoperfyld, John Crud and John Walter, their heirs and assigns ...

Granam, which had me stumped earlier, must mean the grain in field, which is being sold along with the land. Normally this would belong to the person who planted it and they would have the right to harvest the crop (emblements).

The end, briefly:
To hold of the chief lord for customary rents and services. This sealed charter given 28 April 8th year of Henry VII. Witnesses Thomas Fysscher, William Pulter, Richard Kebbyll, and others.

Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 April 24 12:35 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Vance & Horsleydown.
Your help is very much appreciated.  This document blows many Barton trees for this line right out of the water, as I thought it might.  My mother would be happy if she were still here!
Michael
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
OXENBURY, Dorset
WILDE, Derbyshire

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 April 24 17:30 BST (UK) »
horselydown86 writes: "The measures aren't clear to me - it's 5 of a contracted word containing pec ..."

I suggest percas or perticas, both meaning perches (of land) according to The Record Interpreter.

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Re: Latin Feoffment 1497
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 April 24 17:48 BST (UK) »
I interpreted that as "pecias terra."
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs