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Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 16:14 BST (UK) »
Hi all, having trouble finding a marriage record.
The people in question are living so I wont state any names but they were married in 1959. I have checked surrounding years within a 10 year radius, checked all sorts of name variants and I feel like I have exhausted every option apart from asking them "Are you married?" which is a bit of an awkward question.

Any reasons why it might not be on SP?

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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 April 24 17:10 BST (UK) »
Have you looked to see if they married south of the border? Otherwise it’s possible they  never actually married.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 April 24 18:29 BST (UK) »
After making this post I decided best check that, and I couldn't find anything. I would say it's possible they married further abroad, and that might be the only viable explanation but I heavily doubt this.

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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 April 24 19:39 BST (UK) »
Have you checked English marriages?
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Carlin (Ireland & Liverpool) Doughty & Wright (Liverpool) Dick & Park (Scotland & Liverpool)


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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 April 24 21:38 BST (UK) »
Did they have a child in Scotland? If so, the child's birth certificate will tell you the date and place of their marriage.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 April 24 22:02 BST (UK) »
Their children's birth certificate is where I'm getting 1959 from.

Carolw - yes, I have. That's what was discussed before.

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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 April 24 22:20 BST (UK) »
A Scottish birth certificate should always tell you the place of marriage as well as the date, unless the parents weren't married, of course. And it's never just the year - it's supposed to be the exact date, but occasionally just the month.

If you have a date and place of marriage from a birth certificate and you can't find it on SP, it usually means that the parents were lying.
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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 April 24 03:58 BST (UK) »
Interestingly, a cousin of mine (2nd cousin) married in April 1972 in Inverness (a church marriage), but someone did not carry out the final part of the process. The completed marriage schedule is supposed to be taken to the local registrar within 3 days of the ceremony so that the registrar can record it in the register of marriages. There is now no record of the marriage in the statutory records! (Yes, their childrens' birth records show the parents' date and place of marriage)

The parents of an aunt of mine by marriage married in Edinburgh on 26 June 1912 (The childrens'  birth records show the date of their parents' marriage) but there is no record of this in the statutory records. Either it was an irregular marriage or maybe as happened in my cousin's case, someone forgot to take the marriage schedule to the local registrar!

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//registration/Marriage%20in%20Scotland%20Information%20Leaflet%20RM1%20January%202024.pdf



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Re: Any reason why marriage certificate wouldn't be on SP?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 April 24 09:13 BST (UK) »
Were you looking at the Scotlands people centre in Edinburgh?
As otherwise there is a 75 year closure on marriages.

As said by others it would say it on the child’s birth certificate.

This would be accurate as I remember having to take mine with me to the registry office when registering my children.