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BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 17:09 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I have traced my family tree back to my 3x great grandfather William Burton who died 25 Nov 1871 in Leicester.  In the 1851 and 1871 censuses he gives his place of birth as Oakham, Rutland. In the 1851 census his age is given as 64 and in the 1861 census it is given as 74 giving a date of birth around 1787. (On his death certificate his daughter gives his age as 89 and on the 1871 census, not long before his death, it is given as 88).  Assuming that the ages on the 1851 and 1861 censuses are more likely to be accurate, William Burton appears to be the son of John Burton and his wife Ann Barnett who married at Oakham on 7 Dec 1776. William, their fifth child, was baptised at Oakham on 30 Sept 1787.

The Oakham parish register entry for John Burton’s marriage to Ann Barnett in 1776 describes him as being a labourer and describes Ann as being a spinster, both were of the parish of Oakham.  Neither were able to write their name and their consent is just indicated by a X.

According to all the versions of this part of the Burton family tree that I have come across, John is considered to be the son of the Rev Bartin Burton and his wife Mary who married 22 Nov 1725 at Great Oxendon, Northants.  Both were described as being of the parish of Oakham and Bartin was indeed baptised there on 19 Sept 1700 being the son of Mr Andrew Burton and his second wife Sarah  John, the seventh child of Bartin and Mary Burton was baptised on 1 May 1740 at Oakham and was mentioned in his father’s Will in 1764.

I have two questions:

1 What is the evidence supporting the belief that William’s father John was the son of Bartin and Mary Burton?  John was a labourer and appears not to have been able to write his own name.  Unless he had learning difficulties, how likely is it that the son of a clergyman would not be able to write his own name?  John was of the parish of Oakham at the time of his marriage but that doesn’t necessarily mean he was born in Oakham.  Could John in fact be the John baptised 29 July 1739 at Braunston the son of Augustin Burton and Ann?  At the time of John’s baptism, Augustin is described as being a labourer. Augustin and Ann had 6 children baptised at Braunston but I have not yet found their marriage which, according to the ages of their children, would have been around 1728.

2 John and Ann Burton’s last child was baptised in 1790 at Oakham.  There is a burial for a John Burton at Oakham on 10 Nov 1806 and also for an Ann Burton on 14 August in the same year.  I have not found a Will for the John who died in 1806 but there is an 1806 Will for an Ann Burton of Oakham listed at the Consistory Court of Peterborough and dated 24 September 1806 but I have not yet investigated this any further.  Many Burton family trees, however, state that William’s father John died in India (no date given) although I am struggling to find the source of this information.  Does anyone know any more about this?

Thanks very much to anyone who can help.


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Burton in Rutland & Leicestershire
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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 April 24 10:38 BST (UK) »
You may have this?

Burton, Bartin (1722 - 1764) is listed on the site below.

https://theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 April 24 11:39 BST (UK) »
Bartin had a brother Cornelius and the family was subject to a dispute in 1716 over the provisions of Andrew Burton's will -
https://www.british-history.ac.uk/lords-jrnl/vol20/pp295-296#h3-s3

Click on URL and the click on "Lloyd et Ux"**. I have checked for anything available on line via google books etc but nothing. I have access to the results of the case which mentions considerable sums of money for the time.

Have sent you a PM

** Added - I think the URL will take you to the paragraph direct

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 April 24 20:08 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin and hanes teula

Thank you both very much for your helpful replies.

I have had a look at the clergy database website and it has some really interesting information about Rev. Bartin Burton and the parishes in which he served.  If I can be sure of the link to Bartin through John Burton then Bartin would be my 5x great grandfather.

hanes teula -  I have replied to your PM.  it will be really good to find out more about the dispute over Andrew Burton's Will.
I live near Aberdeen in Scotland and I am researching -
Dorsett in Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire
Shrimpton, Dorsett, Squires, Warner, Edwards and Bruce in Buckinghamshire
Worsdall and Emmons in Lincolnshire
Yemm in Gloucestershire
Woore in Herefordshire
Burton in Rutland & Leicestershire
Mayers, Forrester, Sinnett in Berkshire
Pollard in Northamptonshire
Lammas in Berkshire & Oxfordshire
Patience, Vass, Munro, Skinner in Ross-shire
Sutherland and Cowie in Sutherland
Cowie in Banffshire


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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 10:43 BST (UK) »
This is an extract from Thomas Wotton's 1741 "The english baronetage: ...". It's reasonable to assume that the Rev Bartin Burton links back to the Bartin mentioned here?
A date reference point is " ... 1 Queen Mary ..." which, I think, translates to Regnal year July 1553 to July 1554.

 

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 13:07 BST (UK) »
Are these the census returns you refer to?

1841 Rotten Row
BURTON   William 50   Blacksmith Rutland   Age rounded down, born 1787- 1791
BURTON   Mary   50      Rutland   
BURTON   James   3      Rutland   
BURTON   Sarah   13      Rutland   
KING   Ann   2      Rutland   
NEEDHAM   Thomas   30      Rutland   
1851 Rotten Row
BURTON   William   Head   66 (1785)   Blacksmith   Rutland   Oakham
BURTON   Mary   Wife   64      Rutland   Oakham

1861 + 2 granddaughter age 14 & 15
BURTON   William   Widowr   81 (1780)   Blacksmith   Rutland   Oakham

1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham      
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester   Df&dmb   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester      

Born 1780 – 1791

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 13:26 BST (UK) »
''This is an extract from Thomas Wotton's 1741 "The english baronetage: ...". It's reasonable to assume that the Rev Bartin Burton links back to the Bartin mentioned here?
A date reference point is " ... 1 Queen Mary ..." which, I think, translates to Regnal year July 1553 to July 1554.''


Thanks very much for sending the extract. Yes, Rev Bartin Burton (1700-1764) is the great grandson of the Bartin mentioned here who was buried at Oakham 12 Dec 1612.
I live near Aberdeen in Scotland and I am researching -
Dorsett in Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire
Shrimpton, Dorsett, Squires, Warner, Edwards and Bruce in Buckinghamshire
Worsdall and Emmons in Lincolnshire
Yemm in Gloucestershire
Woore in Herefordshire
Burton in Rutland & Leicestershire
Mayers, Forrester, Sinnett in Berkshire
Pollard in Northamptonshire
Lammas in Berkshire & Oxfordshire
Patience, Vass, Munro, Skinner in Ross-shire
Sutherland and Cowie in Sutherland
Cowie in Banffshire

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 13:46 BST (UK) »
1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham     
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester     
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester   

The 1871 census is the right William but this census was taken not long before he died and I believe his age is incorrect and should be 84.

On the 1841 census William is age 50 living with his family in Bridge Street, Leicester.   Occupation - Dyer 
On the 1851 census he is age 64 living with his family in Sarah Street, Leicester.  Occupation - Trimmer and Dyer.  Place of birth - Oakham, Rutland
On the 1861 census he is age 74 and living with his family at 50 Ruding Street, Leicester.  Occupation - Trimmer.  Place of birth Rutland

I live near Aberdeen in Scotland and I am researching -
Dorsett in Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire
Shrimpton, Dorsett, Squires, Warner, Edwards and Bruce in Buckinghamshire
Worsdall and Emmons in Lincolnshire
Yemm in Gloucestershire
Woore in Herefordshire
Burton in Rutland & Leicestershire
Mayers, Forrester, Sinnett in Berkshire
Pollard in Northamptonshire
Lammas in Berkshire & Oxfordshire
Patience, Vass, Munro, Skinner in Ross-shire
Sutherland and Cowie in Sutherland
Cowie in Banffshire

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Re: BURTON John of Oakham Rutland
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 April 24 14:12 BST (UK) »
1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham     
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester     
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester   

The 1871 census is the right William but this census was taken not long before he died and I believe his age is incorrect and should be 84.

On the 1841 census William is age 50 living with his family in Bridge Street, Leicester.   Occupation - Dyer 
On the 1851 census he is age 64 living with his family in Sarah Street, Leicester.  Occupation - Trimmer and Dyer.  Place of birth - Oakham, Rutland
On the 1861 census he is age 74 and living with his family at 50 Ruding Street, Leicester.  Occupation - Trimmer.  Place of birth Rutland

I do not believe that this is the correct William.

1871 Asylum St. West Leicester
BURTON   William   Head   W   88 (1783)   Dyer   Rutland   Oakham      
BURTON   Sarah   Dau   U   50   Chairwoman   Leicestershire   Leicester   Df&dmb   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   47   Trimmer & Dyer   Leicestershire   Leicester      

1861 - Ruding Street, West Leicester.
BURTON   William   Head   M   74   Trimmer   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Alice   Wife   M   72   House Wife   Rutland   -      
BURTON   Sarah Dau   U   37Shirt Maker Leicestershire Leicester   
D & D
   
BURTON   Mary   Dau   U   34   Spinner   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Thomas   Son   M   30   Machinist   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   Elizabeth   Sonwif   M   28   Dress Maker   Leicestershire   Ansty      
BURTON   Alice   Grndau   U   9   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      
BURTON   John Thomas   Grnson   U   7   Scholar   Leicestershire   Leicester      

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