HOGG dau married to Dr Thomas Girtin c 1830?

[colee]

Hello

I am trying to work out why all 5 of Thomas Calvert Girtin's children, (son of the artist Thomas Girtin, dates 1801-74) had Hogg as their middle name, assuming that the mother of Thomas' wife Rachel Haward (from Suffolk) was originally a Hogg. But I can't find any evidence for her. Rachel was born in 1803 I think in Barsham, Suffolk.

Might anyone have better luck (or skill) than me?! Very many thanks, Colee

[mckha489]

Have you tracked the Hog witnesses at their marriage?

[colee]

Thank you - yes I did see that, I couldn't find anything on her. The Hawards seemed to come from around Cookley in Suffolk and probably the Hoggs were from Suffolk too but they seem harder to track somehow.

[mckha489]

Miss Mary Hog and her sister Ida Johanna Hog living Highbury Place, Islington, 1830

https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/record/t18320405-186

[mckha489]

Ida Johanna died 1859 in Gloucester and is buried in Family Vault at St Mary's Aldermanbury
added and Mary was buried there in 1856

baptised 9 Dec 1778. St Michael Bassishaw, City of London.  parents Roger & Mary Hog.

Mary could be the baptism 20 Mar 1781 at St Nicholas Acons, City of London. parents Roger & Mary

[mckha489]

Mary's will is PCC and she leaves everything to Ida Johanna
But one of the people who appeared for  probate was George Wyndham Hog GIRTIN.

Ida's will you would have to pay £1.50 to acquire. It might be useful.

[colee]

Ah brilliant thank you for all that, really super helpful.

Yes I was looking at Ida Johanna and sister yesterday - they were witnesses in a theft so there is an Old Bailey transcript with them included (always interesting and illuminating) - but I couldn't find evidence of Mary being connected to Charles Haward or to daughter Rachel. And odd that Mary leaves everything to Ida (I'll order her will too if I can). Maybe if Mary and Charles were an 'item' they separated later in life.

But the link to George Wyndham obviously places them squarely in the family. I just couldn't find any other evidence. Great idea, I'll order Ida's will. Think I tried to find George Wyndham, but there was no will in the end.

Very very many thanks

[colee]

Strange though that in the PCC will of Mary Hog she is described as spinster, so can't really be Rachel's mother; and George Wyndham personally went to affirm the will after she died, confirming that she knew Mary and her writing well, therefore could testify it was written in her hand, yet doesn't give away any blood connection or family link to her - or is that normal?

[mckha489]

I’ve been wondering about the Barrett witnesses.
There is the earlier marriage of a Rachel Haward to a John Barrett. 1820, Cookley.
If she was a widow. Could she be Rachel’s mother? And those Barrett witnesses step relations. 

(Doesn’t help with the Hogs .and I got tangled up in the Red Book of Scotland. Which has a Hog section, but doesn’t have quite what you want.

Roger Hog died Islington. Merchant in Nicholas Lane -  British Chronicle 15 May 1788
Will - all to wife. signs Roger Hog junior
Mary the mother died 1820 - her will all to Ida and Mary


Scots Magazine 1st June 1793
Mr Alexander Hog, late of Nicholas lane, son of the deceased Roger Hog of Newliston
Will - to Isabella Thompson for the upkeep etc of the two children he has by her (not named)

I think Roger who died 1788 must be a brother of Alexander, but he (Roger junior) is not named in the red book.