1850/1 Archibald Morrison Bap/Bir

[Lensmeister]

Good afternoon one and all,

I thought it was a simple task but it is far from that so far.

Q1. Has Scotland's People dropped any records off of their site?

Okay Here's the main reason for the thread.

My wife's great Grandfather was Archibald Morrison.
His father was James Morrison.
Mother Mary Morrison.

Here is a timeline of what I know so far:

1850: His parents married on 1 Jun in Kildalton and Oa, Argyll, Scotland
1851: Census [attached]. Parish of Inner High, 8 St Nicholas Street. at home are:
James Morrison Head Mar 49 Gas Lab born: Argyle, Kilmichael
Mary Morrison Wife 28 Born Argyle, Islay
John Son 5 Born Argyle, Islay
Archibald 3m Born Argyle, Islay
Sarah 10 Born Argyle, Islay
Ann 4 Born Argyle, Islay
a Lodger.
Jane Cameron Visitor 22 Born Argyle, Islay
Catherine Morrison 20 Born Argyle, Islay

1861: Census in Glasgow with parents but now Born Glasgow.
1871: census in Glasgow
1881: Census in Glasgow
1883: Archibald Married Margaret Ferguson McLaughlin in 1883, Glasgow [attached]
1891: Census in Glasgow
1901: Census in Glasgow
1923: Archibald died in Glasgow,

I can't find a Archibald Morrison from 1849 - 1852 on Scotland's People with a father of James and Mother Mary.

Q2. Any ideas where and when Archibald was born?

Thanks in advance,

[Forfarian]

Q1. Has Scotland's People dropped any records off of their site?No.

But they can only put up records that actually exist and to which they have access (and the agreement of the owner of the records if they are records that don't belong to the National Records of Scotland).

It's quite possible that Archibald's baptism was simply not recorded. Maybe they were so busy with the imminent move to Glasgow that they overlooked having it recorded.

Q2. Any ideas where and when Archibald was born?

I would tend to go with the 1851 census, as that is the one closest to his birth.

Actually I wonder if there were two couples with the same names.

In 1851 the census included 3 children, Sarah, 10; John, 5 and Ann, 4, all born before 1850 when Mary married James. Are these children of an earlier marriage, or is this a different James and Mary who were married several years earlier?

I note with interest that James Morrison and his wife Mary, maiden surname Morrison, had a daughter Mary, born 2 January 1855 in Kildalton and Oa, Isle of Islay, Argyll. Her birth certificate says that she was Mary's 4th child, and that there were 1 boy and 3 girls living. It also says that James was 28 and Mary was 32, and that they were married at Kildalton in 1850.
James Morrison and Mary, maiden surname Morrison, also had sons John, born 28 May 1857 at Kildalton, and Gilbert, born 7 April 1860 in Kildalton. Mary died on 14 April 1860 of puerperal fever, and Gilbert died a few weeks later.

The 1861 says that the Glasgow James M was 49 and Mary was 35. As this is after the death of Mary Morrison, wife of James Morrison, in Kildalton in 1860, James and Mary Morrison, parents of Archibald, are not the couple who were married in 1850.

And who are the child Peter, aged 8, and Catherine, aged 5 in 1861?

[Lensmeister]

Firstly Thank you very much for you help.

No.

But they can only put up records that actually exist and to which they have access (and the agreement of the owner of the records if they are records that don't belong to the National Records of Scotland).

It's quite possible that Archibald's baptism was simply not recorded. Maybe they were so busy with the imminent move to Glasgow that they overlooked having it recorded.

I thought there wouldn't be records taken down. I was sure I'd found something on Archibald previously.

Q2. Any ideas where and when Archibald was born?

I would tend to go with the 1851 census, as that is the one closest to his birth.

Actually I wonder if there were two couples with the same names.

I wondered that too. Morrison is quite a common name.[/quote]

In 1851 the census included 3 children, Sarah, 10; John, 5 and Ann, 4, all born before 1850 when Mary married James. Are these children of an earlier marriage, or is this a different James and Mary who were married several years earlier?

I was thinking that maybe he had been previously married but on their marriage entry it states he is a bachelor.

I note with interest that James Morrison and his wife Mary, maiden surname Morrison, had a daughter Mary, born 2 January 1855 in Kildalton and Oa, Isle of Islay, Argyll. Her birth certificate says that she was Mary's 4th child, and that there were 1 boy and 3 girls living. It also says that James was 28 and Mary was 32, and that they were married at Kildalton in 1850.
James Morrison and Mary, maiden surname Morrison, also had sons John, born 28 May 1857 at Kildalton, and Gilbert, born 7 April 1860 in Kildalton. Mary died on 14 April 1860 of puerperal fever, and Gilbert died a few weeks later.

Where did you find this info?

The 1861 says that the Glasgow James M was 49 and Mary was 35. As this is after the death of Mary Morrison, wife of James Morrison, in Kildalton in 1860, James and Mary Morrison, parents of Archibald, are not the couple who were married in 1850.

Me neither 

And who are the child Peter, aged 8, and Catherine, aged 5 in 1861?

I know. More intrigue

Again thanks for you help thus far.

[Forfarian]

Where did you find this info?

Scotland's People. Where else?

[MonicaL]

This might be the couple who married in 1850. Everyone showing as born in Kildalton:

Thomas Morrison 60 Farmer Of 5 Acres
Isabella Morrison 60
James Morrison 26 Son-in-law
Mary Morrison 25 Daughter
William Morrison 5 Months Grandson

Address 26 Glen Lotts, Kildalton

Possible remarriage for James in 1860, following the death of wife Mary as mentioned by Forfarian. Second remarriage to Ann McCuaig on 17 July 1860. 1861 Census for them:

James Morrison 35 Farmer 40 Acres
Ann Morrison 30 b. Bowmore
William Morrison 10
Janet Morrison 8
Isabella Morrison 6
Mary Morrison 4

Address Moor Lots, Kildalton

Monica

[ruthhelen]

Morrison is quite a common name.

There's also an infinite variety of possible spellings: Morrison, Morison, Murison, Muirson, Murrison, Moreson - and these are only the ones I've come across in my own research...

Ruth

[Forfarian]

Morrison is quite a common name.

There's also an infinite variety of possible spellings: Morrison, Morison, Murison, Muirson, Murrison, Moreson - and these are only the ones I've come across in my own research...

Ruth

Use m*r*s*n when searching - that picks up all variants.

[Lensmeister]

Afternoon all,

I'm at work so limited access to info other than some basics.

I'm sort of thinking that the 1861 may not be the family I am looking for after all.

Let me go back to Archibald Morrison's Marriage:
Married 1st June 1883.
Groom: Archibald Morrison (Iron Foundry Laborer) Batchelor.
Father: James Morrison (General Labourer) deceased.
Mother: Mary Morrison Nee Morrison Deceased
Both living at 34 East Hill Street, Glasgow.

Bride: Margaret McLaughlin (Cotton xx worker) Spinter.
Father: John LcLaughlin (Xxx Works Labourer)
Mother: Mary McLaughlin nee Ferguson

I know this is the right marriage as the wife's grandfather is James Morrison.
Born 17 Aug 1884 34 East Hill Street Glasgow.

Father: Archibald Morrison (Iron Works Labourer)
Mother: Margaret Morrison Nee McLaughlin
The birth cert shows marriage date as 1st June 1993, Glasgow.

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Looking at the 1891 Census now:
Living at 54 Barrack Street, St John Parish, Parliamentary Division Camlachie.

Archibald - Head - Mar - 41* - Foundry Labourer (Unemployed) - Lanarkshire Glasgow.
Margaret - Wife - Mar - 35 - No trade - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
John - Son - Un - 11 - Scholar - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
James - Son - un - 6 - Scholar - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
Alexander - Son - Un - 4 - No Trade - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
Moses - Son - Un - 2 - No Trade - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
Matthew - Son Un - 8mo - No Trade - Lanarkshire, Glasgow.
* It looks like 41 but the original has a tick through it.

I have other census' 1881, 1871 as well but I haven't got them with me at the moment.

Can anyone see the 1861 census to establish where Archibald was born going on this info?

[Forfarian]

1881: 34 Hill Street, lodging with Moses Thompson, age 31, born Glasgow
1871: 12 Weaver Street, age 20, born Glasgow, with widowed mother Mary and brother John, 35
1861: Weaver Street, age 10, born Glasgow, with parents, brother John, 15, and younger siblings Peter and Catherine.
1851: St Nicholas Place, aged 3 months, with parents and siblings Sarah, 8; John, 5; and Ann, 4, all born Islay.

John seems to have aged 20 years in the 10 years between the 1861 and 1871 census - might be a good idea to view the originals just to check.

For elimination purposes:
1851 Census, Islay: James Morrison, 26, with wife Mary, 25, and son William, 0, with Mary's parents Thomas Morrison and Isabella Gilchrist
1861 census, Kildalton, Islay: James Morrison, 35, with wife Ann, 30 and children William, 10; Janet, 8; Isabella, 6 and Mary, 4.
In 1871: James, 44; wife Ann, 39; children William, 20; Mary, 15; Ann, 9; Eliza, 7; Margaret, 5; Catherine, 3; Duncan, 1. The births index confirms that maiden surname the mother of the younger children was MacCuaig. James Morrison and Nancy McCuaig were married in Kildalton in 1861.
Can't find a death of James' son Archibald by his first wife Mary Morrison.
James Morrison died in Kildalton in 1871. His death certificate should confirm the name of his first wife.