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Hi,

I'm struggling to find records for a James NORTHAM in England and he did have connections to Jersey and Guernsey as the ships he served on sailed between there and Southampton on a daily basis - I wondered if anyone can:

1) locate him on the 1881 census in the Channel Islands please?
2) locate a widow with the surname of Northam in the CI in 1901 or 1911 (as he was drowned in a ship sinking in 1899)?
3) if anyone can find him anywhere on the 1861, 71 or 81 censuses WITH a link to being a seaman/navy etc or of being of the correct age (b. 1857) AND in Exeter or thereabouts?
4) find a birth or marriage record for him that fits a birth date of 1857/8 in Exeter - the ones I have located are way out.

Here is what I know:

a) I have found him on board the S.S Lydia on the 1891 census, born Exeter, 1857/8.
b) His official at-sea death record lists him as James NORTHAM, cook, b. Exeter, no address given, age 42 (so this confirms the birth year as about 1857).
c) the newspapers across the UK appealed for his heirs to come forward, suggesting that they hadn't been located, and that he was on the crew list of the ill-fated ship as VENTHAM, born 1857 in Exeter but the subsequent enquiry changed his name to NORTHAM. Possibly he wasn't married therefore, as these men on these particular ships appear to have sailed multiple times on the same short duration voyages and all of them either lived in Southampton, Hampshire or Jersey in close-knit merchant shiping communities (or stayed at seamen's homes in those places) - therefore if he had been married, it's highly likely that the other seamen and/or their wives would have known about it, to tell the authorities. But the heirs were being appealed for four months after his death in nationwide newspapers, which suggests nobody knew of a wife or children.
d) I have also found a record of a man called James NORTHAM being found not guilty of robbery in Exeter in 1870, where he was described as a First class petty officer in HM Navy.
e) There was a Samuel James NORTHAM b.in Exeter in 1859 but he died a few months later.

However I can find nothing else that is likely to be him, only unconnected possibilities. There is nothing for him in the specialist Navy or Merchant Navy records on Anc, FindMyPast or FS. Nothing on TNA. Nothing in Hampshire Archives. No apprenticeship records. Nothing at all under VENTHAM. No likely shared trees on Anc or FindMyPast.

Help would be very much appreciated.

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:02 BST (UK) »

2) locate a widow with the surname of Northam in the CI in 1901 or 1911 (as he was drowned in a ship sinking in 1899)?


He was a widower in 1891.

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:26 BST (UK) »
I had missed that fact. Thank you. Now I know he was married and she died before 1891. Can anyone find his marriage please?

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:33 BST (UK) »
James NORTHAM, ship's cook, is with wife Fanny (29) and daughter Lucy (11) in Southampton in 1881.  It looks like Fanny died in 1890.  He is a bit older, his age is also given as 29. 

There is a possible marriage in 1877 with James NORTHAM and Fanny HEATH on the same page which would make it unlikely that Lucy was his daughter.

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:53 BST (UK) »
James NORTHAM, ship's cook, is with wife Fanny (29) and daughter Lucy (11) in Southampton in 1881.  It looks like Fanny died in 1890.  He is a bit older, his age is also given as 29. 

There is a possible marriage in 1877 with James NORTHAM and Fanny HEATH on the same page which would make it unlikely that Lucy was his daughter.

Debra  :)

Thank you.
Where have you found a record for the death of Fanny please?

And where is the marriage of Fanny and him recorded as taking place?

Can anyone find a 1861 or 71 census record please? Possibly Southampton or Exeter. I’ve found nothing that fits.

Also a birth record for him in Exeter?

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 11 April 24 23:28 BST (UK) »
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

The marriage and death were both in the registration district of Southampton.

HEATH, LUCY  EMMA
No mother's maiden surname
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in SOUTH STONEHAM  Volume 02C  Page 53

Fanny HEATH and Lucy are with Fanny's father in South Stoneham in 1871.  I can't see any registered NORTHAM/HEATH births after 1877.

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 April 24 00:13 BST (UK) »
Super, thanks Debra for the info.

Can anyone help to locate a 1861 or 71 census record please for James Northam? Born Exeter circa 1857.
Possibly Southampton or Exeter, or (for the 1871) in the Channel Islands as the ships he sailed went from Southampton, Hampshire to Jersey and Guernsey and he may have been a “boy” apprentice who started at 14.

Also a birth record for him in Exeter?

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 April 24 07:41 BST (UK) »
I'm struggling to break down this 1861 census, and any marriage/birth of children etc. Cannot find any of them in 1871.

ref  2460 13 24

James Northam aged 22     Telegraph Clerk        born Exeter
Mary Ann          aged 24                                   Lancs
Jas                   aged 3                                     Lancs
Charlotte          aged 1                                     Lancs

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Re: Looking for census 1861, 1871 & 1881 in Channel Islands or elsewhere in UK
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 April 24 16:30 BST (UK) »
I'm struggling to break down this 1861 census, and any marriage/birth of children etc. Cannot find any of them in 1871.

ref  2460 13 24

James Northam aged 22     Telegraph Clerk        born Exeter
Mary Ann          aged 24                                   Lancs
Jas                   aged 3                                     Lancs
Charlotte          aged 1                                     Lancs

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Thank you. I am unsure of this because it states he was born in Lancashire although I can see his father had the Exeter link.