Terrence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born 1840 Tipperary....but Where????

[RickyJack]

Hi to the group,

Wound myself into a corner trying to help a workmate...

His ancestor Terence Guthrie came from Ireland to Australia and looks like as a free man.

The ship Donald Mckay [in December 1861] reports him as Terence Guttery age 21 =[1840] RC and  left Tipperary

He worked, Married and died 1922 in Tasmania. All the Tasmanian information is available however the different spellings of Guthrie seems to be our undoing.

There are a small number of trees on Ancestry, and I see they have all been caught by the same problem...one person reckons born 1838, however I think this a guess.

Would some kind person sort this little mystery out for us Please, to confirm Terences parents and village would indeed be a prize

Thankyou in Advance Rick in Australia
Terence Guthrie/Gutry/Guthar/Guttery born in 1840 in Tipperary married Catherine Fahy/Fahey 1865 in Oatland Tasmania...they had 9 kids in 15 years

[shanreagh]

Many Irish used a naming pattern for their children

Knowing the names and birth order of the children can be useful to pin point ancestors esp mother/father. 

A traditional naming pattern was often used by Irish parents until the later 19th century:

First son usually named for the father's father
Second son usually named for the mother's father
Third son usually named for the father
Fourth son usually named for the father's eldest brother
Fifth son usually named for the mother's eldest brother
First daughter usually named for the mother's mother
Second daughter usually named for the father's mother
Third daughter usually named for the mother
Fourth daughter usually named for the mother's eldest sister
Fifth daughter usually named for the father's eldest sister.

It would be useful to have the names of the children of this couple in birth order.

[RickyJack]

Thanks...here we go
James b 1866
Mary 67
Nancy 69
John Michael 71
Bridget
Terrance William
William John
Catherine
Peter

[shanreagh]

Can you pl provide a link to the passenger list.

 I can see two sailings for this clipper ship in 1861 on one listing (March & December), and on another just one listing  (March 1861) showing that the  ship seems to have been quarantined at Melbourne because of small pox on board. 

Where did the passenger leave from and where did he land in Aus please?

Link about this clipper ship
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_McKay_(clipper)

John Grenham has useful info about the name Guthrie and variations in ireland
https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=guthrie

The three names from Tipperary came from Ardfinnan
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish.php?county=Tipperary&surname=guthrie

These three names are on Griffiths 1852 (Tipperary south riding) are Thomas, William and Richard
From Ardfinnan


When you look at the 1901 census the oldest Guthrie there is only 45 so there may have been emigration. 
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tullaghmelan/Ardfinnan____Pt__of_Spitalland_/1707563/

The census also throws up another couple of localities that might be useful and that is Tullaghmelan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/tullaghmelan1/

and another
Spitalland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/clanwilliam/tipperary/spitalland/

Ardfinnan
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/ardfinnan1/

[shanreagh]

I am about to go out but I will leave you with 'hours of fun' going through the parish registers  for Ardfinnan church

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/1089

What was Terrence Guthrie's occupation pl?

https://www.abgnfparish.ie/
Parish churches incl Ardfinnan

[RickyJack]

Terence departed Liverpool arrived Melbourne 7 Dec 1861 and connected to the ship for Launceston Tasmania 12 Dec 1861
recorded as a Farm Labourer

[RickyJack]

Thanks again...for the links
found one at that parish called Ardfinnan however the parent was a Thomas Guthrey in June 1840
If I got this correct the parents of Terence would be Terence William Guthrie and Bridget
This should be the link for the passenger list

https://www.ancestry.com.au/discoveryui-content/view/1177430:2423?

[shanreagh]

That is an Ancestry link and not viewable for those without an Ancestry sub. 

I am not sure why you are saying the parents would be Terence William Guthrie and Bridget. If the Australian family followed the Irish naming patterns the first son would be named for the husband's father and if the first son is James wouldn't that mean the father of Terence was James?

[shanreagh]

I'm just wondering where the record is involving Terence Guthrie as coming from Tipperary?  Is it on the shipping list? or family lore?