Herbert Ernest Hardy 1911 census help please

[worth]

Hi all
I am looking for a Herbert Ernest Hardy in 1911. He was born in 1896 to Frederick James Hardy and Mary Sullivan. In 1901 they were living in Christchurch Greenwich and Herbert Ernest Hardy was 4. He was with both his parents and 4 siblings, Frederick 13, Hilda 11, Agnes 7 and Arthur age 1. Another son Bernard Robert Hardy was born in 1902. His father Frederick Hardy died in 1903 in Greenwich. I cannot find any trace of Mary or the children in 1911. I have found Herbert Hardy in 1904 in the the Woolwich workhouse aged 8, he is with his sister Agnes and brother Arthur, no sign of mum anywhere. The only other mention of their mum Mary Hardy is on a Passenger and crew list for her son Bernard in 1921 living at 84 Raglan Road, London so she must have been somewhere in 1911 with her children. Another pair of eyes is very much appreciated in finding this family. Thankyou in advance xx

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Think you might find him here aged 14 born Woolwich in 1911

St. Joseph's Orphanage, St. Anne's Orphanage Receiving House, Lodge, Westfield And Tower House

Births Sep 1896   
Hardy    Herbert Ernest        Woolwich    1d   1275

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[Milliepede]

Who was the sister in the US when Bernard went there?

[softly softly]

Son Bernard aged 9 is in the same orphanage in 1911 as Herbert.

St. Joseph's Orphanage, St. Anne's Orphanage Receiving House, Lodge, Westfield And Tower House.

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[softly softly]

Agnes aged 17 "teacher" at

Bartrams Hampstead Green Hampstead N W, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England

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added

HARDY, AGNES  MADELINE     SULLIVAN 
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in WOOLWICH  Volume 01D  Page 1328

[worth]

Brilliant thankyou so much for all your replys, it does look look they spent their early childhoods in workhouses and orphanages after their father died.
Im pretty sure his sister Hilda Hardy was out there at that time. Over the years other than Herbert and his brother Arthur, all of the brothers and sisters went to Canada or the USA. I have no idea what happened to their mother Mary unfortunatley. She is named on Bernards passenger and crew list in 1921 still as Mary Hardy and living at 84 Raglan road in London in 1921 but i cant find her at that address in 1921. Herbert was at 91 Raglan Road in 1921 as a visitor with the Lyle family xx

[Milliepede]

I wonder if Mary Hardy also went to the US/Canada later in life and died there?

Perhaps there is a record of her on a passenger list. 

The 1921 info infers she was still alive at that point and presumably hadn't remarried. 

[worth]

Millipede, ive just been looking at some of the passenger lists for Mary Hardys children, daughter Agnes Madeline Hardy born in 1894 she is on a passenger list in 1930 heading out from NY to Honolulu, and she mentions her mother Mary Hardy living in Hampstead London, so Mary was definatly alive in 1930 and living in Hampstead she would be around 65 years old in 1930.... slowly narrowing her down at last x

[Mabel Bagshawe]

When Bernard and family visited the UK in 1936, he gave an onward address in Cefn, Wrexham.

Any connections you know of there?

And when he left the UK in 1921 he gave an address at 1 The Grove Hammersmith. Have found him in the 1921 census, but mother not there