Agnes Williams

[Talacharn]

Thanks rosie99, I will look into them as they are new names. The oral recorded tree held at the University of Liverpool lists the Scamp family, but does not have an Elijah, though I have shown in other areas it is not complete. With travellers, birth, registration and baptism may be miles apart. From a quick search, I think the mmn is Lock and a traveller name, possibly derived from Boswell. In Wales the Scamps used Williams and on times so did the Boswell tribe. I could not find a marriage, which is not a surprise.

Having been offered new oral history, that links to the Scamp, Boswell and Lee families. I am trying to accept or reject the information. At present I have corrected and accepted some and rejected nothing. There is no marriage to a Samuel Evans and the later census records are not certain. Some records to other facts have been found, with a missing link, that being Agnes Williams (Scamp).

[Cas (stallc)]

In case you don't already have..seems the connection you mention is Lock.

Quite a few hints for family in USA 1880 ish, no access to check, just have UK

Possible - 1861- Aberdare, Glamorgan
Piece   4065, Folio   27, Page number   48

Elijah William 23 Head, basket maker, Pontyprydd Glam
Agnes William   23   Wife Bridgenorth, Shropshire
Elijah William 2 Son Aberdare - (1858 Merthyr registration gives mmn Lock)
Elizabeth William 1mth Daughter, Aberdare
Elizabeth Lock 64 Alverstone, Gloucestershire Lodger
Byrim Lock 12 Grandson Maesteg Glam

Possible baptism for Agnes Lock.  Quatt Malvern is south of Bridgenorth

Name   Agnes Locke
Baptism Date   24 May 1835
Baptism Place   Quatt, Shropshire, England
Religion   Anglican
Father   Matthew Locke
Mother   Elizabeth Locke
Page number   37
Reference Number   P226/A/2/1

Cas

[Talacharn]

Thanks Cas, I had not found that census record. Having said Elijah is not on the oral list held by Liverpool University, I found his baptism and he is a Scamp as his parents are listed, so he is the uncle of Samson Williams (Scamp).

I am aware of the Lock/Locke project in America, but these are the first I have come across. For Byrim/Abraham there is a Locke registered but without a Christian name or mmn. With Elizabeth there are too many options. I will look for baptisms.

[Cas (stallc)]

There is this possible. Tree on Anc has the parents moving USA.

Name   Biram Young Lock
Baptism Age   0
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   5 Aug 1847
Baptism Date   10 Aug 1847
Baptism Place   Llangynwyd, Glamorganshire, Wales
Father   Stephen Lock - basket maker & gypsy
Mother   Ann Lock

Birth?
LOCK, BINAM  YOUNG  mmn   WOODS 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in BRIDGEND AND COWBRIDGE  Volume 26  Page 338

Also a possible seaman's record ?

Name   Byram Locke
Birth Date   27 Jul 1849
Birth Place   Twinney, Glamorghanshire
Service Number   29463A
URL   http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7917888

Cas

[Talacharn]

Elijah’s brother Tom emigrated to America, and I suspected others did as well.
That is one complex traveller family as Lock, Young and Wood are all traveller names.

[Talacharn]

Regarding an earlier question about Samuel and Anness Evans in the 1911 census, I have now found it is not Agnes. Samuel Evans married Anness J Moss in Chester Jul-Sep 1910. The burial of Agnes Evans in 1916 is not the right person. It leaves the original question about Samuel Evans and Agnes Williams in the Caergwrle area still unanswered. With no marriage, or mention on the later censuses, I am now doubting the oral history. Until I receive more information, I need to place this thread on the back-burner. Thanks to all who helped, as I now have other areas of the same family to research.