No birth certificate that I can find

[ShaunJ]

Can you remember what he was doing in Nottinghamshire? Did he have relatives there?

[bluetntmo]

Rumors are that he was down the pits. Other than that no idea

[jonw65]

John born 15.10 .1891

That's from the 1939 Register

On his death cert it states date & place of birth 24th October 1890, Wakefield Yorks

Is it Wakefield because of the gentleman farmer's son certificate, or did Colin believe that his father was born there?

Throwing this one into the mix. I do not have access to ancestry images at the moment  so I am hoping the date of birth is right!
Baptism at Wakefield St Mary, 3 November 1891
John Edward Jakes
Born 15 October 1891
Parents Frederick + Elizabeth

It's on FamilySearch, but minus the birthdate
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N13Z-DMR

Frederick and Elizabeth as a couple are hard to find!
Registerd as Jaques, the GRO birth index has it as what looks like an illegitimate birth
JAQUES, JOHN  EDWARD 
Mother's Maiden Surname: —
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in WAKEFIELD  Volume 09C  Page 37

And Yorkshire BMD says (NONE) for mother's maiden name
https://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/birthsearch.php

Is there any further sign of John Edward?
Could he have reemerged later as John Henry Jacques, and made up his father name (also John) on his marriage (or perhaps used a step or adoptive father's name)

[Cas (stallc)]

Hi John...Info from Anc.. image online.

Name   John Edward Jakes
Age   0
Record Type   Baptism
Birth Date   15 Oct 1891
Baptism Date   3 Nov 1891
Baptism Place   Wakefield, St Mary, Yorkshire, England
Father   Frederick Jakes. No occupation given, struck through
Mother   Elizabeth Jakes

Abode was Union Workhouse

https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6565413:2252

Cas

[jonw65]

Hi Cas
That's good, thank you. So we do have a matching birth date with the 1939 Register entry.
And a birth certificate with the names John Edward not John Henry, and Jaques rather than Jacques.
It would certainly make it difficult to find.
Or it could be a different person! Hopefully something for bluetntmo to investigate.
John

[ShaunJ]

The Royal Artillery attestation record is a little difficult to follow. It appears to have been prepared in the early 1920s: it has his new army number 1009722, his old number 73739, his marriage in 1917, the birth of  Irene Hilda in 1922.

It records that he originally attested in Halifax on 31 July 1913 aged 21 years and 9 months; that he was a collier and railway goods porter; that he was born in Barnsley; there is an address in Durham that appears to have been entered in 1921: 33 Ramsey Cottages, Swalwell.

[jonw65]

there is an address in Durham that appears to have been entered in 1921: 33 Ramsey Cottages, Swalwell.

Wow.
1921 census Free index
33 Ramsay Cottages, Swalwell
Schedule 94
John O'Niel, Head, born 1866, Felling, Durham
Mary Elizabeth O'Niel, Wife, born 1871
Children, four daughters all born in Durham
Winifred, 1906 (born Lanchester), Florence, 1910, Phyllis, 1913, Louvenia Elizabeth, 1915

Some births
O'NEIL, FLORENCE       
Mother's Maiden Surname: JACQUES 
GRO Reference: 1911  S Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 2123

O'NEILL, PHYLLIS       
Mother's Maiden Surname: JACQUES 
GRO Reference: 1913  D Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 2059

O'NEILL, LOUVAIN  ELIZABETH     
Mother's Maiden Surname: JACQUES 
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 2256

[jonw65]

Maybe
March 1907 Gateshead 10a 1376
Jacques, Elizabeth
O'Neill, John
+ 2 others

We need to find them in 1911!

[jonw65]

Here they are in Whickham in 1911 on FamilySearch. Two Jakes step daughters
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWC2-5W3