Mystery MANSFIELD.family

[brigidmac]

The scenario is feasible but wouldn't explain the biological connection to the BARROW  family

Could one of the barrow girls have borrowed their neighbours name when having a baby with fanny wardens fiancée

Realms of fantasy ..maybe

I have to rest now ..unless this keeps me awake tonight !

[heywood]

I was thinking that Alice Barrow married as Frances Alice Waldron - no idea why - with her sister Eliza as witness.
As Frances Mansfield she was in prison.
Then she is with John Davies as Frances Davies with child Minnie - mmn Barrow.
1911 - Minnie is an inmate.
I think Minnie might be the one who married Joseph Simm in 1918.

[brigidmac]

Can you explain What are the indications that Alice Barrow may have used first name Frances

But I still don't see the link to Alice WALDREN
There are no DNA links to that surname

I like your hypothesis Heywood and dates and first names fit .
The sisters do seem to have a tendency to have multiple marriages
But if it's common law weddings it will be hard to confirm

[aghadowey]

Sometimes the absence of information is interesting.

1887 marriage of Frances Alice Waldron to George Mansfield- her father listed as Leopold Waldron, fishmonger.
Can't find any Leopold Waldron in England using Family Search and FreeBMD

1881, 1891. 1901, 1911 census records- Frances' birthplace given as Chatham, Kent.
Can't find birth under Waldron in that area

[heywood]

Re Alice Barrow - this is what I based the names on
The marriage to George Daniel Mansfield is Frances Alice Waldron
Her address is the same street where the Barrows were living in 1881.
Eliza Barrow was a witness.

As aghadowey points out, at the moment, the Waldron connection can’t be found but the birthplace of Alice Barrow fits with that given by Frances Mansfield/Davies.
The child Minnie Davies has mmn Barrow.
Minnie is a name used in the Barrow family.

Nothing can yet be supported by documents though so could be coincidental, maybe.

[heywood]

Prison records

1880 Alice Barrow 15 yrs - stealing
1884 Alice Barrow 19 yrs - stealing

1889
George Mansfield, 22 yrs labourer
Frances Mansfield 23 yrs
Record mentions previous convictions for drunkenness and stealing as Alice Barrow

1891 - Frances Mansfield

1894 Frances Davies - previous records as Frances Mansfield and Alice Barrow

[brigidmac]

Bingo  found at same time

 UK register of habitual criminals name Frances Mansfield in brackets Alice Barrow

Great deduction agha & Heywood

Conviction age 25 born Chatham
Conviction date 26 aug 1889
6 months
Jail Carnarvon

No wonder her mother had to look after baby Frances

I can see the original  Alice's address given as overbury road Chatham  1889
But George Mansfield on next line
Gets 18 months
Gives address as Whitechapel London

[heywood]

She was returning to Overbury Street Liverpool and born Chatham.

[Wexflyer]

Does any of this resolve the original query?