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Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« on: Thursday 18 April 24 15:56 BST (UK) »

Can anyone help with a fresh pair of eyes please?

Peter Riley, Chelsea army pensioner is on the 1851 census in Victoria Yard, Turks Row, Chelsea (sorry can't provide a ref).  He's missing in the 1861 census.  He dies in February 1870 at 15 Caroline Street, Pimlico.  Also in February 1870 a Catherine Edwards registers a birth and gives 15 Caroline Street, Pimlico as her address.

Catherine's mother is Eliza Edwards.  In 1871 the pair are living at nearby 32 Westbourne Street with Eliza's son, William, and Catherine's baby and all four are called Riley and Eliza is a widow.  When William marries he declares Peter Riley is his father and when Eliza's death is registered she is declared Peter Riley's widow.

Eliza isn't in London before 1853. The 1861 census for Pimlico is missing and I haven't found Eliza Edwards or Peter Riley anywhere else.  I'd like to find a marriage if it exists but my feeling is that it doesn't.  Peter Riley left the army as a pensioner in 1850 (a Dubliner aged 39 and single).  I don't know if a post-retirement marriage would have been recorded on his army record? 

I've got no evidence Peter Riley and Eliza Edwards were a couple or that William was his son other than what Eliza and William said after Peter's death. I have Peter Riley's service record and that doesn't mention a wife or children.  I can't see how it benefits Eliza to continue using his name unless it is official and she can claim his army pension. Although called Riley in 1871, Catherine and baby return to Edwards as per their birth certs soon after.

Any ideas or help would be gratefully received.  Thank you.
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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:13 BST (UK) »
Do you have son William's c1854 birth certificate? If so, what are the details/addresses?

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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:16 BST (UK) »
Is there a birth registration for son William?
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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:18 BST (UK) »



Peter Riley, Chelsea army pensioner is on the 1851 census in Victoria Yard, Turks Row, Chelsea (sorry can't provide a ref). 


FindMyPast have him as Reley in 1851
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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:29 BST (UK) »
Are Catherine, Eliza and William together in 1881 at 192 Pavillion Road Chelsea?

Did Catherine marry a Davison? 

Eliza & William are down as Riley.

Catherine is Katherine Davison.

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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi, and thank you...

William Edwards is born in the St Geo, Hanover Sq infirmary and baptised at the parish church, mother Eliza Edwards, servant, no further details given.  I haven't found a birth cert at the GRO for Edwards or Riley.

I should say that William is the fourth illegitimate child born to Eliza - two in Wiltshire, one in Isleworth and then in St Geo, Hanover Square.  Eliza seems to like soldiers as another daughter was raised by her father, another army pensioner. 
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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:32 BST (UK) »
Millipede, yes that's the family.  Please don't dig into the Davisons as it's only the possible Riley Edwards marriage that's I need help with thanks.   ;D
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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:37 BST (UK) »
He dies in February 1870 at 15 Caroline Street, Pimlico.  Also in February 1870 a Catherine Edwards registers a birth and gives 15 Caroline Street, Pimlico as her address.

That address appears to be some sort of lodging house at the time. Maybe the Edwards family got to know Peter, and decided they'd use his name going forwards...for respectability.

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Re: Chelsea marriage Riley Edwards c1860s
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 18 April 24 16:40 BST (UK) »

I think so.  Which begs the question - are they a family or has Eliza grabbed the name for some reason? 
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Sharp(e) - Hertfordshire, Suffolk
Lee - Ireland
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Bickers - London, Norfolk, Suffolk
Guiver - London, Hertfordshire, Essex, Cambridgeshire
Murray - London
Hill - London, Devon