My Great Great Grandfather Elias Elias

[keithjd27]

Greetings Nice People,
  I am trying to find the Family of Elias Elias born in 1790 in Penbryn.
 I know he moved to Rhymney when he was about 18 and married soon after.
  I don't know what happened to his parents and siblings after he left.
  If anyone knows where the church records for that area are kept or anything
  of the farms around that area about that time or can aim me in the right direction
  I would very grateful.
   Thank you in advance for taking the time to help. I am coming to the area the week
  of 6th May hunting information.
   I also am still looking for information about Aberffrwd between 1880 and 1900 because
   that was my Grandmother (Mary Elias ) met my Grandfather (David Davies ) while
   she was working as a maid in one of the big houses and he was working on a farm
   Thanks again and take care - kind regards - Keith Davies     

[CaroleW]

Can you confirm these are the correct 1841/1851 entries - both are  Bedwelty Monmouthshire - Rhymney is in Caerphilly

1841 - all children b Monmouthshire

Elias Elias    50 not b in county
Jane  45 not b in county
Daniel   15
Ann  15
David 10
Piece  750 Book 17  Folio 27 Page  13

Deaths Sept qtr  1847   

Jane Elias   aged 56  Abergavenny   26   32


1851
Elias Elias 61 widower - miner b Penbryn Cardiganshire
David Elias 23    Son - miner b Bedwelty Monmouthshire
Elizabeth Jones 12 G/dtr   b Bedwelty
Mary Price 22 Servant b Carmarthenshire
Piece 2448 Folio 565 Page 16

[GrahamSimons]

This might help......
https://www.library.wales/catalogues-searching/help-to-search/family-history-help/records

[omega 1]

Hello Keith

Genuki Penbryn Cardiganshire is full of info.

The Headstones in Welsh Graveyards are sometimes full of information.I have been amazed at some i`ve found.

Good luck

omega

[Cas (stallc)]

Some baptisms of children seems the family were independent denomination

Transcription only

All at - Rhymney Iron Works, Sion Chapel (Ind) Bapts 1821-1837

Date   22 Jul 1821
Parent's Surname   ELIAS
Child's forename(s)   Daniel
Father's forename(s)   Elias
Mother's forename(s)   Jane
Type of Event   Baptism
Residence   Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation   Miner
Officiating Minister   David Stephenson
Memoranda in register   Born 16 Oct 1820   
Gwent record office register ref. number   RG4/1248
Parish register page no.   4

Date   23 Feb 1823
Parent's Surname   ELIAS
Child's forename(s)   Ann
Father's forename(s)   Elias
Mother's forename(s)   Jane
Mother's surname (if different)   
Type of Event   Baptism
Residence   Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation   Miner
Officiating Minister   David Stephenson
Memoranda in register   Born 2 Feb 1823
Gwent record office register ref. number RG4/1248
Parish register page no.   6


Date   8 Aug 1825
Parent's Surname   ELIAS
Child's forename(s)   Ann
Father's forename(s)   Elias
Mother's forename(s)   Jane
Type of Event   Baptism
Residence   
(Father's) Occupation   
Officiating Minister   
Memoranda in register   Born 20 Jul 1825
Transcriber's Notes   
Gwent record office register ref. number   RG4/1248
Parish register page no.   7

Date   28 Jan 1828
Parent's Surname   ELIAS
Child's forename(s)   David
Father's forename(s)   Elias
Mother's forename(s)   Jane
Type of Event   Birth
Residence   Parish of Bidwellty
(Father's) Occupation   Miner
Officiating Minister   
Memoranda in register   Baptised with water on [blank]
Transcriber's Notes   Baptism date not given
Gwent record office register ref. number   RG4/1248
Parish register page no.   9

Date   24 Oct 1830
Parent's Surname   ELIAS
Child's forename(s)   Elias
Father's forename(s)   Elias
Mother's forename(s)   Jane
Type of Event   Baptism
Residence   Parish of Bedwellty
(Father's) Occupation   Miner
Officiating Minister   John Davies
Memoranda in register   Born 20 Aug 1830
Gwent record office register ref. number   RG4/1248   
Parish register page no.   20

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Bedwellty - contains the chapelry of Rhymney

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[Cas (stallc)]

Possible marriage - image online

Name   Elias Elias
Marriage Date   17 Sep 1814
Marriage Place   Llangynidr, Breconshire, Wales
Residence Place   Bedwellty county of Monmouth
Spouse   Jane Jones - of this parish
Both made their mark
Witness - John Davies - Jane Thomas

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

There is also this marriage online which could be another daughter

Name   Gwenllian Elias
Marriage Age   Full Age, spinster
Marriage Date   14 May 1838
Marriage Place   Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Both living Rhymney
Father   Elias Elias - miner
Spouse   Richard Jones
Witness - Daniel Elias - Sarah Jones
All made their mark.

From census Gwenllian born c1818 Bedwellty

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[Cas (stallc)]

Elias is with married son David & family in 1861. Death 18 Dec 1862

ELIAS, ELIAS    age 73 
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 68
 
Executor of his probate gives son Thomas, there is a possible born c1816 in area.

Online tree for family gives a DNA connection as father being David Elias - 1841 census bc 1766 farmer, living Penbryn.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Penbryn - see church records for info where kept.

Cas

[Cas (stallc)]

Mary Elias

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Where#A

Aberffrwd, Monmouthshire is 1 miles (2 Km) W of Llan-arth / Llanarth, Monmouthshire.  This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llanarth

There is also Aberffrwd in Cardiganshire.

Cas