Brick Wall due to marriage not with GRO

[meaty]

Hi well I got the digital image just now, and bingo it even says wife of William John, Fisherman.

...and yes thanks for the advice re the digital image £2.50 option, I only learned of it about a year ago...hate to think of how much I've wasted over the years!

[meaty]

To Johnw the death entry gives her death as 27th Oct at Bethsaida in St Dogmaels, a chapel. Age 52. Present at death was an Ann Williams... so daughter Ann might be a William's by 1873, and now I need to try to find out where that chapels cemetary is.

Thanks for the suggestion though. You have made me wonder whether the Archives might have a database of monumental inscriptions that can be searched

[heywood]

To Johnw the death entry gives her death as 27th Oct at Bethsaida in St Dogmaels, a chapel. Age 52. Present at death was an Ann Williams... so daughter Ann might be a William's by 1873, and now I need to try to find out where that chapels cemetary is.

Thanks for the suggestion though. You have made me wonder whether the Archives might have a database of monumental inscriptions that can be searched

The death sounds correct. Daughter Ann was only 8 yrs in the 1871 census so that rules her out. There are a couple of neighbours called Ann Williams.

[wilcoxon]

An old post on the same family

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=559095.0

[heywood]

There are these possible deaths - have you checked them?

1876 December quarter Cardigan 11b 6
William John  60 yrs 
1879  September quarter Cardigan 11b 6
William John 63 yrs

[rosie99]

...and yes thanks for the advice re the digital image £2.50 option, I only learned of it about a year ago...hate to think of how much I've wasted over the years!

It has only been available recently so you probably found out about it around the time it started 

[wilcoxon]

Have you considered that Ann may have been a widow when she married  William John.
Her maiden name would be given on birth certificates,  but she would have married with another name.
Just a thought 🙂

[meaty]

Lol yes of course, daughter Ann would only be little.

I forgot that I asked about this family all those years ago...shows how long it's been a problem for me. I have avoided the issue for much of that time mind, it's the familysearch fan chart that has inspired me to fill in gaps - if anyone has yet to try it, go for it you can then print out your tree as a fan chart on just one page of A4 (7 generations).

And no I had not considered that Ann could have been a widow when marrying Wiiliam...looking at freebmd there doesn't appear to be a relevant record for this but I appreciate the thinking outside the box which is kind of what I was hoping for in raising this thread.

I will get those deaths later to see if one is indeed William and at least I'll have his death date.

Are there any other tricks to get back a generation when you cant find a marriage record. Unfortunately there isn't an obvious christening for Ann Griffiths in Tremain or Blaenporth either which adds to the trouble.

[wilcoxon]

Going back to Ann John's death certificate,  does it actually say she died in the Bethsaida Chapel.
Bethsaida Chapel was a Baptist Chapel and connected to Blaenywaun Chapel.
 I think from your other earlier post that Mi's didn't show anything

I don't know about that area but Chapel registers are not the easiest to find.