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Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« on: Thursday 25 April 24 09:33 BST (UK) »
Can anyone help me track down a marriage between Alice Elizabeth Scrace and William Webb. The most likely place is Tunbridge Wells.
Alice was born in Frant in 1856 and died in Tunbridge 1942. Her parents were Henry Scrace and Frances Huggins.
William Webb was born in Braughing, Hertfordshire in 1854 and died in Tunbridge in 1906. His parents were Samuel Webb and Ann Matilda Miles.
Alice and William's 1st child was born in Tunbridge in 1881.
I cannot find a marriage record for them and the misspelling of Scrace in a lot of the documents is making it even harder to find.
DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex

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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 April 24 09:44 BST (UK) »
I know you’re asking about a marriage but do you have Alice’s birth certificate  - I ask as it’s registered as being in Ticehurst Sussex, not Kent though there is a suggestion of there being a bit of boundary flexibility in that area. Why do you think they were married at Tunbridge Wells?
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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 April 24 10:33 BST (UK) »
I know you’re asking about a marriage but do you have Alice’s birth certificate  - I ask as it’s registered as being in Ticehurst Sussex, not Kent though there is a suggestion of there being a bit of boundary flexibility in that area. Why do you think they were married at Tunbridge Wells?

Frant is in the Ticehurst reg district.

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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 April 24 10:45 BST (UK) »
Hi,
It looks like the Scrace family were living in Tunbridge Wells by 1861, although the census is confusing because is states town of Tonbridge, parish of Frant, the address given I think reads Rumber Street, Frant Reach.
So I think you're correct there does seem to be alot of boundary flex between Ticehurst / Frant / Tunbridge Wells.
By 1871 the family are on the census in Town of Tunbridge Wells, parish of Tunbridge Wells, address looks like Balti Street.
The 1881 census gives Alice as married to William Webb, living in Tunbridge in Garden Street.
I have searched every area for their marriage, but just can't find it.......
DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex


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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 April 24 12:36 BST (UK) »
It's possible that they never married for whatever reason.
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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 April 24 15:09 BST (UK) »
From all the other info I've found so far on both Alice's and William's siblings, they would be unusual in their families not to have married, but I suppose it is possible. The other possibility is that Alice was previously married and widowed by the time she married William at the ago of 25. But again I haven't found any record of her marrying anyone else.
It's very frustrating!

DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex

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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 April 24 15:40 BST (UK) »
Or William could have been previously married and left his wife, therefore he couldn't marry otherwise it would be bigamy.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 April 24 15:44 BST (UK) »
I haven't found a likely earlier marriage for William in Ware (where he was in 1871) but there's 10 years before his next sighting in Tonbridge, and a lot of miles in between.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 April 24 23:19 BST (UK) »
Yes, I agree, a lot can happen in 10 years and as you say there is no record of him between 1871 and 1881. It's very frustrating, but guess I'm going to have to accept that they probably never actually married.
Here's another Webb anomaly that you might be able to help me solve;
Jimmie Webb born 25 July 1915 (according to my grandmother's birthday book). The only official record I have found of him is on the 1921 census living with my great grandmother, alice Elizabeth Webb in Tunbridge Wells. The census confirms his birth of 1915 and says he was born in Hove and that he was Alice's grandson.
The family rumour was he was the illigitimate son of one of Alice's daughters, but no-one knew for sure which one.
He was only ever known as Jimmie Webb and he and my dad were very close. Sadly none of the older members of the family are left to ask questions of, so he remains a mystery and another one of the ones I haven't managed to track down.
I found a Jim A Webb born 1915 in Marylebone MMN Webb on ancestry, but when I tried to obtain the birth certificate on the GRO I couldn't find the listing. It's very strange, as it was on the transcript, but there doesn't appear to be any record at the GRO.
If you can solve this I would be in awe!
DAVIDSON - Boyndie, Ordiquhill, Fordyce, Gamrie, Botriphnie
BOOTH - Gamrie, Fyvie
GERRIE (GERRY) - Fyvie
SMOLLET (SMOLLETT, SMOUT, SMOWT) - Boyndie
MORISON (MUIRSON/MEARSON) - Ordiquhill
ROY - Mortlach
HEARSON - Lincolnshire & Sussex