Webb / Scrace marriage possibly Tunbridge Wells around 1880

[Dundee]

You should always search using just first names if you can't find a registration.  The old indexing covered all surnames recorded on the registration, the new indexing doesn't.

Births Mar 1915 

ANDREWS, Jim A   (WEBB)
Marylebone    1a   939   
 
WEBB, Jim A    (WEBB)
Marylebone    1a   939   

ANDREWS, JIM  ANDREW     (WEBB)     
GRO Reference: 1915  M Quarter in ST. MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 939

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Perhaps only the mother is named and she is ANDREWS formerly WEBB.  You would need to see the cert.

Debra 

[LizzieL]

If Grandma had the birthday right, Jimmie's birth should have been registered Quarter 3 1915. As to mother I would suspect the daughter with the family in 1921, she didn't marry until 1918.

[lynellen]

Thank you Debra, I've now located this on the GRO and have ordered a certificate. Hopefully that will either eliminate or confirm it's the correct Jimmie Webb.
Thank you also Lizzie for all your help and suggestions. Not sure The Jim A Andrews is the right one as the 1921 census states he was born in Hove, not Marylebone, but I guess the census details aren't always accurate......

[LizzieL]

A census record is only as good as the informant (Head of Household) knows. In 1921 (as in 1911) we are seeing the form the householder actually filled in, so we don't have the problem of any enumerator transcription errors. Of course, Alice snr might have though he was born in Hove but not asked the child's mother. When Jimmie was born, Hove would have been in the Steyning registration district.
Jimmie could have been a nickname, short for James, or his middle name could have been James, or his real name could be something unrelated to either Jimmie or James. (My OH says his father called him Charley when he was a child - he has three forenames, none remotely like Charles or Charley !)

[LizzieL]

Curiously I can find a James Webb in correct quarter in Steyning mmn Shufflebotham. Can't find a likely marriage to fit in that area though.

could one of the son's be the father and died before 1921 and so did his wife? and grandma took care of Jimmie.

[softly softly]

Do you know when Jim/Jimmie died approx.

SS

added, was it in 1969?

[LizzieL]

Curiously I can find a James Webb in correct quarter in Steyning mmn Shufflebotham. Can't find a likely marriage to fit in that area though.

could one of the son's be the father and died before 1921 and so did his wife? and grandma took care of Jimmie.

Or one of the daughters had a relationship with a Mr Shufflebotham and switched the surnames round when the birth was registered

[lynellen]

Hi Lizzie
Thanks to you pointing me at Steyning, I found his birth and got the certificate from GRO. The birth date 25th July 1915 matches what is in my Grandmothers birth book. It gives father as James Webb, Mother Lucy Mary Webb mn Shufflebotham.
I believe this is Lucy Mary Webb, daughter of Alice, born 1898. I now think she was sent off to her elder sister Francis in Hove to have the illigitimate baby James and she lied about being married and having a maiden name.
My guess is the father was a lad called James something or other and he was a driver in the South Lancashire regiment (as the birth certificate claims) he was not present when James (Jimmie) was registered.
I have trawled through all the sites I belong to and cannot find a Lucy Mary Shufflebotham anywhere. No birth, No marriage and no death.
This would fit with the family rumour that Lucy was Jimmie's mother.
Can't see a way to find who his real father was though.
Don't know when or where he died as the last record I can find is 1921 aged 6. I would love to find anything on him after that date........

[lynellen]

Thanks to SS I now have his death in second quarter of 1969 in Tonbridge. Will get cert. from GRO tomorrow.
You've all been so helpful and have solved a few family mysteries for me. Thank you