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Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« on: Saturday 27 April 24 08:59 BST (UK) »
Our family migration document was for Timothy Donnelly and his wife Eliza Scales who came to Australia in 1840 from Hog Island, River Shannon, Ireland.

Timothy's parents were Simon Donnelly and we believe Winifred Dempsey.

Unable to read the parents on this document.

Looking for help pleae, we have no information on Eliza Scales family
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 April 24 09:30 BST (UK) »
A better quality scan might help. Even the printed bits are blurred and hard to read.

One of the signatures is Joseph Saml Scales. Below that Alick Williams and below that John Lucas ?.
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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 April 24 10:23 BST (UK) »
This photo has been provided by a relation in the UK, he said the paperwork was extremely frail, difficult to read himself.   Got to remember it is 1840 documentation.
Can't do much better I'm afraid.
Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 27 April 24 10:47 BST (UK) »
Have you seen this ? Not sure of the provenance but Eliza's parents are recorded as Joseph Scales (a gardener of Mount Pleasant) and Mary Johnson:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTW7-YPM?cc=1542665&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFL2M-N9J
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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 27 April 24 10:57 BST (UK) »
This photo has been provided by a relation in the UK, he said the paperwork was extremely frail, difficult to read himself.   Got to remember it is 1840 documentation.
Can't do much better I'm afraid.
Jan

If its very frail, it may be an idea to scan it at a high resolution asap so that the original does not need to be handled again - though I'd also be looking into seeing if it could be professionally stabilised and preserved.

Once you have a high resolution image it can copied and perhaps enhanced in a graphics package and can then be shared with as many family members as possible to be sure that future generations  can see and read it.

Boo


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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 27 April 24 11:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Boo Boo and Shaun, that's great.
Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 27 April 24 11:43 BST (UK) »
This is from the Limerick Chronicle of 6 March 1844. Joseph Samuel Scales among several Scales parishioners in Kilkee, Co Clare:
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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 27 April 24 12:12 BST (UK) »
Have you seen this ? Not sure of the provenance but Eliza's parents are recorded as Joseph Scales (a gardener of Mount Pleasant) and Mary Johnson:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTW7-YPM?cc=1542665&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFL2M-N9J

It is from their immigration record.

https://postimg.cc/dDzw9V9J

https://postimg.cc/xkT2dJ93

Debra  :)


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Re: Trying to read some of writing on 1840 migration document
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 27 April 24 22:19 BST (UK) »
This is great Shaun,
I wonder if these other Scales names are children of Joseph Samuel Scales,would be good to know of other family members, apart from our Eliza Scales who came to Australia.

Jan

This is from the Limerick Chronicle of 6 March 1844. Joseph Samuel Scales among several Scales parishioners in Kilkee, Co Clare:
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir