Edwin Daniel/s East Stonehouse

[Suzy100]

Edwin is my 2nd Cousin 3 x removed
I had an email from his descendant as I had put Ellen Maria Daniels as his mother which seemed logical to me at the time!  But I now do not think it is her, although I have come across births on another tree where the mother has changed the child's name on birth record as it was illegitimate.  But they always seem to put something correct like DOB or something, so you can trace them.  It is very odd but thank you so much for you help.  It is a very odd one!!  I need a wine now.  lol  It is a shame you have to put the surname on the gro as it may have helped.

[Ashtone]

The other thing that may have provided a clue was Edwin's workhouse admission record(s) circa 1871. Unfortunately, East Stonehouse workhouse records no longer exist.

I'm still wondering where Ellen Steward (nee Daniels) went after 1862. Did she die? Something happened to her, as Francis Steward remarried in 1871. I'm guessing that he wasn't Edwin's father. And like you say, Ellen may not have been Edwin's mother either.

Could Edwin's mother be the female servant living with the Daniels family in 1861?    In the actual census image, her surname looks a bit different than the transcription name.

[jonw65]

In 1871 could Ellen be Ellen Andrews, 30, born Stonehouse? Living in Plymouth, husband is William.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5T2-YZT

Is Philip Andrews, 12, the Philip Daniel, age 2, in 1861?

Is there a marriage for them? The name Steward has been mentioned
Dec 1865 Plymouth 5b 523
Andrews, William
Stuart, Ellen
The other two, J J Smith / J A Condy might pair off via a couple of subsequent birth registrations in Plymouth

Births
ANDREWS, WILLIAM  ALFRED 
Mother's Maiden Surname: DANIELS 
GRO Reference: 1863  D Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 287

ANDREWS, MARY  JANE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: DANIELS
GRO Reference: 1866  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 314

ANDREWS, ELLEN  ROSINA     
Mother's Maiden Surname: DANIEL 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 256

Next one
ANDREWS, EDWARD  JOHN     
Mother's Maiden Surname: DANIEL 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 293

Some baptisms at Plymouth St. Peter

[Ashtone]

Is Philip Andrews, 12, the Philip Daniel, age 2, in 1861?

Nice find, jonw65!    So, would this make Philip William Oram (born 1859) Ellen's son?
I did wonder about his birth reg being Oram, with MMN Daniel.  After all, mum Eliza was an Oram.

So, did Ellen and Francis Steward ever get a divorce? 

And young Edwin in the workhouse in 1871. Looks like no one wanted to take him.

Also, Emma Daniel in the 1851 and 1861 census is a bit of a mystery, as well. Her birth years vary considerably (1842 and 1847). Haven't found a birth for her yet.

[jonw65]

Hi
It does look like Philip was Ellen's son, and not Edwin. They were the same kind of age anyway. The mystery of Edwin continues!
Unfortunately that possible marriage in 1865 doesn't seem to be online, so quite likely it was at the register office. Perhaps not surprising if Ellen was already married!

[Ashtone]

Perhaps Emma Daniel(s) is Edwin's mum?  Particularly if she was born circa 1842 (as per the 1861 census). That might explain Edwin being listed as Eliza's grandson.

Haven't found Emma yet after 1861. (On a separate note, it's odd how Rosinna Daniel's birth was registered twice: in 1850 and 1852).

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I have gone back to look at Mary Ann McManus  - Born 27 Oct 1859 in Birmingham,  I have her in the
1861 census father James McManus Tailor.  1871 in Winchester. 
In 1891 she is living in same house as a James Harlow it states she is single.  No occ. 
I think this is where the Harlow comes in but no marriage as yet.

James Harlow
Mary McManus

Q2 1891
South Stoneham Vol 2c p111

Looks like James might have died Isle of Wight in 1892. He's the right age,and had a widow called Mary Ann,  but I'm a little unsure because of the probate register noting him as of Colborne, IoW and a licensed victualler. The one Mary McManus was with was a coachman/gardener with no IoW  connections, althugh I guess they may have decided to start a new life/enterprise on marriage?

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Perhaps Emma Daniel(s) is Edwin's mum?  Particularly if she was born circa 1842 (as per the 1861 census). That might explain Edwin being listed as Eliza's grandson.

Haven't found Emma yet after 1861. (On a separate note, it's odd how Rosinna Daniel's birth was registered twice: in 1850 and 1852).

The first Rosina died - here's the registration

DANIELL, ROSINA        
Age 0 
Q3 1850 
EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 09  Page 203

[Suzy100]

Oh my goodness you are all amazing, I am still trying to get my head around this.  What a complicated family!