Edwin Daniel/s East Stonehouse

[Suzy100]

In 1871 could Ellen be Ellen Andrews, 30, born Stonehouse? Living in Plymouth, husband is William.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5T2-YZT

Is Philip Andrews, 12, the Philip Daniel, age 2, in 1861?


I have the birth cert for Philip:
Born Philip William 28 dec 1858
Father William Henry Oram Engineer RN HM Ship (Cannot read) could be Lissy
Mother Ellen Oram formerly Daniel
24 Union Place East Stonehouse.

[Suzy100]

Emma Mary born 11 April 1847  (Mis transcribed as Crain)
Father Philip Daniel Tailor
Mother Eliza Daniel formerly Oram
15 St Marys Street East Stonehouse

[Ashtone]

Emma Mary born 11 April 1847  (Mis transcribed as Crain)

So that rules out Emma being Edwin's mother. But...I have new theory: 

Was Edwin actually the son of Eliza Daniel (nee Oram)? Obviously he's listed as her "grandson" in 1861, but I think that's to cover-up shenanigans whilst husband Philip was overseas from 1856-1863.

It turns out Philip Daniels (tailor) enlisted with the Royal Navy in 1854! His RN record is on FindMyPast. Everything matches: birth year (1819/1820) , occupation (tailor), and marital status (married).

In the 1861 census he's on the HMS Encounter in Japan. After serving on several other vessels he's back in the UK in August 1863.

1871 and 1881: Philip and (new) wife Ann can be found in Ashburton, Devon. He’s returned to his profession of tailor. He died in 1882.

So if Eliza Daniel(s) died before 1871 does this explain why Edwin is in the workhouse? My theory would also explain why Edwin has no birth reg or baptism. Eliza needed to keep his birth “under wraps” as hubby Philip was overseas.

[Suzy100]

Gosh that is def a good theory.  I did see that there was a Philip Daniel in Ashburton but thought it was not our Philip Daniel.

but what surname would she have given and surely she still would have registered his name! I have gone through so many Edwin's born 1859 in Devon and cannot for the life of me see which one it could be.

I think you may def be onto something with this though.

 

[jonw65]

There is a possible death/burial for Eliza in 1861, age 41
Burial was at Stoke Damerel, 3 July
Eliza Daniels
Abode East Stonehouse
Died 1 July (that's a useful column!)
Age 41 yrs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-QWL1-N

Do we know what happened to Clara?
DANIEL, CLARA  BAKER     
Mother's Maiden Surname: ORAM 
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 277

[Suzy100]

That death is correct for Eliza.  she died in the Workhouse. 30 June 1861, Wife of Philip RN Corporal. Thank you

Cannot find Clara (why is her middle name 'Baker'? 
There is a Clara marrying but not her mothers name Jane. 
Will keep looking

[Suzy100]

Another thing I have just thought of how do we really know that is Edwin's correct DOB that is on his military records?  He could have just made that up, couldn't he??

[Ashtone]

Do we know what happened to Clara?
DANIEL, CLARA  BAKER     
Mother's Maiden Surname: ORAM 
GRO Reference: 1860  S Quarter in EAST STONEHOUSE  Volume 05B  Page 277

Oh that's right! Another Daniels birth while Philip is away overseas. I wonder who wife Eliza was keeping company with from 1858-1860? Perhaps it was a Mr Baker.