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Offline David Boulding

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Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« on: Tuesday 07 May 24 00:19 BST (UK) »
There is a word after Richard's name which seems to be his occupation for condition. It looks like "Inn....."

Other parishioners had "poor" or "poor pedlar". "soldier" etc..

Any guesses please?
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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 02:59 BST (UK) »
I'd say the word is:  Iuvenis

As an adjective it means youthful, young and as a noun it means youth, young man/woman.

I'd probably read it as Rychard Carter the Younger.

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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 09:02 BST (UK) »
I would favour Rychard Carter, a youth. 'The younger' is more usually given as junior. That said, I wouldn't rule it out.

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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 09:37 BST (UK) »
In ancient Rome, a puer (boy) became a iuvenis when he started to wear the toga virilis, usually at the age of 14. I'm not suggesting it meant exactly the same in 17th century England, but it may be of interest to know the history.


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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 09:52 BST (UK) »
Richard was 39 at the time -  confirmed by his will - so I am guessing that this must be  "the younger" as at that age he'd hardly be a spring chicken.

Richard's brother was an Innkeeper (several inns) so perhaps I was led down that route by self-suggestion as the word appeared to start with "Inn..". I saw the first letter as an I - but did think maybe a J - but couldn't imagine firstly any word starting with J - or that it would be latin as all the other addon descriptions were in English.

Many thanks for the great help as awlays
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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 10:01 BST (UK) »
David, I can scarcely believe that a man of 39 could be referred to as iuvenis and I wonder if there has been some mistake.

There was a perfectly good and normal word available to mean the younger, i.e. junior, as Bookbox has mentioned, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be used, if the younger had been intended.

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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 10:08 BST (UK) »
All very confusing... But I agree it's odd not to use the word "the younger". "Junior" would surely suggest a familial relationship with the other Richard and his father was dead by 1577? Or am I placing a modern interpretation to the word? Maybe I am.

Was the Latin used by some clergy often rather inadequate?
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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 10:49 BST (UK) »
David, how have you confirmed by his will that this Richard was 39 at the time of this burial?

If you think this may have been Richard "the younger", who, in your view, was "the elder"?

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Re: Rychard carter of Boughton under Blean
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 May 24 11:38 BST (UK) »
Because the will detail matches the only Richard Carter buried that year (or near years) and correctly matches up family (nephew, brother, sister etc). I think it's very safe to say this is Richard buried 1601 is the same as this will:-   
Carter   Richard   Boughton under Blean   1601   1601   PRC/32/39/19c   PRC/31/46 C/2      1601

Boughton under Blean
1562 Aug 16 Richard son of Richard Carter
1601 Sep 4 bur Rychard Carter Iuvenis

Richard's father was buried in 1577 and also confirms his sons and daughter. He was clearly no longer around to be confused with this Richard. There may have been other Richards around. But I'd say this was very safe.
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