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Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« on: Wednesday 08 May 24 08:22 BST (UK) »
Attached are two images of a conveyance document, but I have trouble with the script.
The name Robert Pype appears on at least two occasions, and I can see a few words, but not enough to string together in order to know what property is the subject of conveyance.
Can anyone assist please
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 May 24 08:43 BST (UK) »
Here's a start:

Thomas Elyes, citizen and alderman of Norwich, and John Heydon grant by this charter to William Scarlet, of Norwich; Philip Curson, draper; William Blythe, baker, citizens of Norwich, and to Robert Pype, of Stradbroke, and to their heirs and assigns, all that capital messuage with buildings, shops, gardens and appurtenances, situated in the parish of St Stephens, Norwich, in Newegate Street, with the tenement once of William Bert to the east, the tenement once of Randolph Carleton and Nedeham road to the west, and abutting the tenement once of Agatha Ravyngham, the tenement once of Hugh Sket, once of William Seld against Aquilon(?), and on the Nedeham road to the south
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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 May 24 08:51 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Vance
Extremely helpful
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
OXENBURY, Dorset
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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 May 24 20:45 BST (UK) »
It’s a dual-purpose document, combining a conveyance with letters-of-attorney. Dated 1470, not 1480, and referring to a prior conveyance of 1456.

Vance has done the first 6 lines. Here is my attempt at translating the rest:

… to the south. This capital messuage with buildings, shops and gardens, with appurtenances, we held jointly with William Spalding, dyer, lately citizen of Norwich, and Richard Cromer and William Oldebarby, lately citizens and aldermen of Norwich, and Henry Bovy, clerk, now deceased, from a conveyance and feoffment of John Child, lately of Norwich, chaplain, as is more clearly contained in a certain charter dated at Norwich on 3rd day of January in the 34th year of the reign of King Henry VI [1456], then drawn up by us. To have and to hold all the aforesaid

[extract 2]
messuage with buildings, shops and gardens, with appurtenances, to the aforesaid William Skarlet, Philip Curson, William Blythe and Robert Pype, their heirs and assigns for ever, from the chief lords of that fee, for services thence due and by right accustomed. And furthermore everyone present should know that we the aforesaid Thomas Elyes and John Heydon have appointed, ordained and put in our place our beloved in Christ Thomas Drantale[?], clerk, Thomas Lynne, weaver, and William Roo[?] the elder, jointly and severally, as our faithful attorneys, to enter into the aforesaid messuage and to give full and peaceful possession thenceforth to the aforesaid William Scarlet, Philip, William Blythe and Robert Pype in our place and in our name, according to the tenor and effect of this charter. It is ratified and consented that whatever these our attorneys or any of them shall do in our names regarding these premises [shall be lawful]. In witness of which matter we have fixed our seals to these presents. These being witnesses: Thomas Bokenham, William Lyster, notary, John Burgh, John Swan, Ralph Bygot and others. Given at Norwich on the sixteenth day of August in the year of the Lord 1470 and in the tenth year of the reign of King Edward IV after the Conquest of England.

ADDED
Not sure about some of the names - others may have suggestions?
Lines 5-6 maybe Agatha Banyngham?


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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 May 24 04:28 BST (UK) »
Dated 1470, not 1480.
Not sure about some of the names - others may have suggestions?
Lines 5-6 maybe Agatha Banyngham?

Thanks for the completion Bookbox,
Apologies regarding date - typo as it is quite clearly 1470!
As for Agatha, there was a family with the name of Basyngham slightly later in Norwich, so could be something similar.
Also neither Newegate St or Nedeham Road are in Norwich now, having apparently been renamed respectively Surrey St and St Stephen's St
But the end result is good - thankyou Vance & Bookbox.
PIPE, CABLE, STANLEY, WATSON, East Anglia
BARTON, JUPP, WOOD, MUNN, PETERS, MARTIN, Kent & Sussex
OXENBURY, Dorset
WILDE, Derbyshire

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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 May 24 05:59 BST (UK) »
Not sure about some of the names - others may have suggestions?

I also think Drantale and Roo.

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Re: Conveyance c 1480 Latin (?)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 May 24 06:21 BST (UK) »
As for Agatha, there was a family with the name of Basyngham slightly later in Norwich, so could be something similar.

Phillip Curson of Letheringsett (the man in your charter - he was also an alderman of Norwich) refers to a Master Roger Bresyngham in his will.