Surname Phillips-Williams

[0ctavia]

Thank you Garstonite   

[Gan Yam]

Not sure whether this is a coincidence or there is some connection - There is a Lilian Torre marries a William B(ernard) P(Phillips) Williams in Holborn 3rd 1/4 of 1933.  On the 1939 register William and Lilian are now Phillips-Williams and William is a school master in Felixstowe. Could Lilian be related to Herbert Torr
When Ronald is married on all three occasion his name is recorded under both Williams and Phillips-Williams and also the same with his brother, who looks like is adopted by the same couple, with a slight first name change.

Can't find a birth for either William Bernard Phillips Williams in 1908 or Lilian Torre in 1905. Lilian dies in 1974 but her dob is the same as 1939 except the year is 1903 not 1905 and William B dies in 1989.

Added: looks like Lilian Torr was born in 1903 in Derby and that Lilian may have been Herbert's sister.

[heywood]

That looks like great detective work, Gan Yam. Well done.

[0ctavia]

Not sure whether this is a coincidence or there is some connection - There is a Lilian Torre marries a William B(ernard) P(Phillips) Williams in Holborn 3rd 1/4 of 1933.  On the 1939 register William and Lilian are now Phillips-Williams and William is a school master in Felixstowe. Could Lilian be related to Herbert Torr
When Ronald is married on all three occasion his name is recorded under both Williams and Phillips-Williams and also the same with his brother, who looks like is adopted by the same couple, with a slight first name change.

Can't find a birth for either William Bernard Phillips Williams in 1908 or Lilian Torre in 1905. Lilian dies in 1974 but her dob is the same as 1939 except the year is 1903 not 1905 and William B dies in 1989.

Added: looks like Lilian Torr was born in 1903 in Derby and that Lilian may have been Herbert's sister.

Mmmmm. Yes, you could definitely be on to something! I'm a newby at this whole thing and keep forgetting to take minor differences of names into account. I have Lilian Torr - a sister of Herbert's as being born Q4 of 1903. So that would fit. Hadn't even considered looking for a Lilian TORRE!

SIGH! My housework was getting excited that it was actually going to get done. But then I saw your reply.... Ancestry here I come!

THANK YOU!!

[0ctavia]

That looks like great detective work, Gan Yam. Well done.

Yep. Totally agree with that comment!

[Neale1961]

DEATH REGISTRATION
William Bernard Phillips-Williams
Oct-Dec 1989, Heybridge, Essex
Birth date 5 July 1908


BIRTH REGISTRATION
WILLIAMS,     WILLIAM  BERNARD 
                               Mother’s name - PHILLIPS 
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in PONTYPOOL  Volume 11A  Page 209


Gladys Hannah Rebecca PHILLIPS married in 1903 Newport Monmouthshire to William Thomas WILLIAMS


1911 census Branksom Villa Pontnewydd, Monmouthshire, Wales
William Thomas Williams 33 Head tinplate worker/ shearer
Gladys Williams 31 wife
Marie Williams 5 daughter
Bernard Williams 2 son

[Neale1961]

I would have a look at his Will /probate record to see what names are mentioned.

[0ctavia]

I would have a look at his Will /probate record to see what names are mentioned.

AMAZING! Thank you sooooo much 

[Neale1961]

Just in case you need this link ...
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
Online order costs £1.50
Hopefully it will include the names of the adopted sons that you are looking for.