Surname Phillips-Williams

[0ctavia]

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Hopefully it will include the names of an adopted sons that you are looking for.

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[Neale1961]

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[Neale1961]

DEATH REGISTRATION

Name   Lilian Phillips-Williams
Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1974
Death Age   70
Registration district   London City
Volume   14
Page   0873

Birth Date   7 Nov. 1903

[garstonite]

some incredible clever research on this topic - well done all

[bbart]

Picture of Herbert Torr

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Pretty share this is the right track. All the pieces are fitting together very nicely. You guys rock!

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Picture of Herbert Torr

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That’s very special. Thank you Bbart.

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Not sure whether this is a coincidence or there is some connection - There is a Lilian Torre marries a William B(ernard) P(Phillips) Williams in Holborn 3rd 1/4 of 1933.  On the 1939 register William and Lilian are now Phillips-Williams and William is a school master in Felixstowe. Could Lilian be related to Herbert Torr
When Ronald is married on all three occasion his name is recorded under both Williams and Phillips-Williams and also the same with his brother, who looks like is adopted by the same couple, with a slight first name change.

Can't find a birth for either William Bernard Phillips Williams in 1908 or Lilian Torre in 1905. Lilian dies in 1974 but her dob is the same as 1939 except the year is 1903 not 1905 and William B dies in 1989.

Added: looks like Lilian Torr was born in 1903 in Derby and that Lilian may have been Herbert's sister.

Gam Yam.
Something you said a week or so ago keeps coming back to me.
You said that Ronald's brother looks like he is adopted by the same couple (as Ronald), but with a SLIGHT FIRST NAME change.
It would make sense, that his name was changed to William but I was just wondering what your basis for thinking Kenneth had his first name changed. Did you find anything which would lead to that conclusion, or was it just an inkling you had?

[Gan Yam]

Not sure whether this is a coincidence or there is some connection - There is a Lilian Torre marries a William B(ernard) P(Phillips) Williams in Holborn 3rd 1/4 of 1933.  On the 1939 register William and Lilian are now Phillips-Williams and William is a school master in Felixstowe. Could Lilian be related to Herbert Torr
When Ronald is married on all three occasion his name is recorded under both Williams and Phillips-Williams and also the same with his brother, who looks like is adopted by the same couple, with a slight first name change.

Can't find a birth for either William Bernard Phillips Williams in 1908 or Lilian Torre in 1905. Lilian dies in 1974 but her dob is the same as 1939 except the year is 1903 not 1905 and William B dies in 1989.

Added: looks like Lilian Torr was born in 1903 in Derby and that Lilian may have been Herbert's sister.

Gam Yam.
Something you said a week or so ago keeps coming back to me.
You said that Ronald's brother looks like he is adopted by the same couple (as Ronald), but with a SLIGHT FIRST NAME change.
It would make sense, that his name was changed to William but I was just wondering what your basis for thinking Kenneth had his first name changed. Did you find anything which would lead to that conclusion, or was it just an inkling you had?

There is a marriage in the June 1/4 1960 in Ilford, same place as Ronald was married, For a William K.  The marriage is recorded as both Williams and Phillips-Williams, the same as Ronald. My inkling from that is this is likely to be Ronald's brother and the K is for Kenneth,  William having been added to his name.