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Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« on: Wednesday 15 May 24 07:15 BST (UK) »
I don't really have any experience tracing family in the USA, as my direct ancestors stayed in the UK after leaving Ireland, but I am interested in what happened to some of the relatives that did move to the USA. I've had difficulty tracing what happened to them after they left the UK.

Eleanor Cassidy was born in Liverpool on 9 November 1856, the daughter of George Cassidy and Mary Cassidy, nee Finn. She married Julian de Ovies, a Spanish 'count' in 1875 in Liverpool.

Eleanor, Julian, their children, and several of the Cassidy family (including Eleanor's parents) left Liverpool for the USA, and arrived in New York City on 21 March 1887, but I've struggled to trace Eleanor and her parents after this.

Julian married a woman named Minnie McDonald in 1891, but I was under the impression that his wife Eleanor died in Lancashire in 1907, with her reference in the English civil registration records being:
D QTR 1907: D'Ovis, Eleanor, age 51, registered Prescott, Lancashire, Vol. 8b, pg. 47.

I have her death certificate, it states she died at the Rainhill Asylum on 27 October 1907, it records her as a 'widow of no occupation'. This doesn't necessarily mean that this is the wrong Eleanor, I have other records of family members who are recorded as 'widow(ers)' when actually they had just split up. Her last permanent address was 181 Lime Street, Liverpool. So, the connection to Liverpool adds even more support for this death, in my eyes. She died to cancer of the Uterus. I'm not sure why she would've been in the Rainhill Asylum.

I assumed this must be her, because de Ovies, and variations thereof are not common names in the UK, and with the death being in the correct county, makes me think that this is even more likely to be her.

But when did she return to England? Did she and Julian divorce, or did she die in the USA, and the above Eleanor is just a coincidence?

Can anyone help provide any answers please?  Thanks in advance for any help.  :)

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Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 08:19 BST (UK) »
The 1881 shows Julian as a Foreign correspondant aged 26 b Spain.

2 sons - Raymond aged 4 & Julian 7mths - have you found them on later censuses?

There is an entry for Julian on the Liverpool Crew lists in 1886 aged 32

1875 Marriage entry shows him as Julian Segundo O Garcia De Ovies

Son Julian was baptised 1880 as Julian Garcia

1909 incoming passenger list NY-London for Julian De Ovies b 1854

Find a Grave entry showing he died Pennsylvania 1910

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Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 08:32 BST (UK) »
Son Raymond was born Raimondo George Cassidy De Ovies & can be found on the 1920 & 1930 US Censuses

Free bmd shows a son Stanley b 1886
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Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 08:39 BST (UK) »
This indicates that Liverpool Archives hold records for Rainhill. There might be something there.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01t64/
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Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 08:53 BST (UK) »
Reverend Raimondo de Ovies - minister - aged 48 plus Elizabeth De Ovies aged 22 - student - left England  for New York  on 29.8.1925
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 09:45 BST (UK) »
Snipped from the Ottowa Free Press, 20 Aug 1910

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 10:36 BST (UK) »
Buffalo Evening News, Friday, Jan 13 1888

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Re: Julian de Ovies and Eleanor, nee Cassidy
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 May 24 14:52 BST (UK) »

Eleanor, Julian, their children, and several of the Cassidy family (including Eleanor's parents) left Liverpool for the USA, and arrived in New York City on 21 March 1887, but I've struggled to trace Eleanor and her parents after this.

Julian married a woman named Minnie McDonald in 1891


Julian's obit mentions a daughter and two sons

Birmingham Age-Herald
Birmingham, AL
Friday, Apr 22, 1910
Page: 6
(see below)

The last two paragraphs confirm she was Minnie McDonald and she married Julian in 1891.

The Seattle Daily Times
Monday, Aug 06, 1917
Seattle, WA
Page: 9

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