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No Baptism For Moses?
« on: Friday 17 May 24 01:08 BST (UK) »
There is a civil registration for the birth of Moses Doyle in Templeudigan (OS spelling Templeludigan)
in April, 1867.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03482/2279987.pdf

Curiously, I can't find a corresponding baptism. The parish registers for Rathnure (AKA Templeudigan) exist.
I searched under Christian names Moses, Aidan/Aiden, and Mogue (all equivalent), and also the Latin versions, Aidanus and Edanus. I also checked for a surname other than Doyle, in case a father was named.

No sign! Strange - the reverse of the usual case of a missing civil registration.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 May 24 01:15 BST (UK) »
Family search suggests a baptism in Templeudigan, but no date
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 May 24 01:23 BST (UK) »
Family search suggests a baptism in Templeudigan, but no date
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4

By reference to the underlying original film number, that is his birth registration, not baptism.
They have mistakenly labeled it a "christening". Their usual sloppy job.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 May 24 01:50 BST (UK) »
Family search suggests a baptism in Templeudigan, but no date
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4

By reference to the underlying original film number, that is his birth registration, not baptism.
They have mistakenly labeled it a "christening". Their usual sloppy job.

There is a separate entry for the civil birth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL3W-GNG2
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 May 24 01:59 BST (UK) »
Family search suggests a baptism in Templeudigan, but no date
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4

By reference to the underlying original film number, that is his birth registration, not baptism.
They have mistakenly labeled it a "christening". Their usual sloppy job.

There is a separate entry for the civil birth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL3W-GNG2

They frequently index the same item multiple times in different collections.

Here is the April 1867 Templeudigan parish register.  No sign of Moses.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634115#page/27/mode/1up
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 May 24 02:05 BST (UK) »
Family search suggests a baptism in Templeudigan, but no date
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4

By reference to the underlying original film number, that is his birth registration, not baptism.
They have mistakenly labeled it a "christening". Their usual sloppy job.

There is a separate entry for the civil birth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL3W-GNG2

Click on the Batch no. info on FamilySearch for the "christening" film no. you provided, viz:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5F3-BZ4

You will see many names from all over Ireland, all in the same period of 1867 - all obviously from Civil Registration (which you can double check), all incorrectly labeled as "christenings".

In other words, all Irish civil registrations in that period seem to have been indexed as christenings by FamilySearch.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 May 24 09:12 BST (UK) »
Do you have him in later records?
Did he stay with Eliza, his mother?
I am just wondering if she was not from that parish, however, I can’t see a baptism anywhere else.
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 May 24 09:20 BST (UK) »
With a name such as Moses, is there a possibility that the family were Jewish?
And therefore no COI or RC baptism.
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Re: No Baptism For Moses?
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 May 24 09:45 BST (UK) »
With a name such as Moses, is there a possibility that the family were Jewish?
And therefore no COI or RC baptism.

Nice try sir! LOL.

No, Moses is not a reference (directly) to the Jewish prophet, but to St. Aidan, the first bishop and patron saint of the diocese of Ferns - which is almost coterminous with county Wexford.

St. Aidan was also known by his pet name as Mogue, from a Gaelic contraction of "my young Aodh", where Aodh is the Gaelic version of Aidan.
Of course, Mogue was, shall we say disfavored by the British colonial overlords, as with all Irish Gaelic names, so they "translated" Mogue as Moses.

Thus Moses = Mogue = Aidan.

One and the same person can turn up under all three variants.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area