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Offline Glen in Tinsel Kni

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Re: One man, two men or three different men?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 18 May 24 19:29 BST (UK) »
Yeah Sarah is a bit of a slippery character, if her hubby died in 1892 it begs the question who the father of James b1895 and  Ivy b1897 would be. 
There's an 1897 ref of a James Hudson Dobbs in Lincoln, no maiden name recorded , also an Ivy in 1897 in Lincoln again no maiden name on the GRO website. Ivy was baptised and the register states her father is Christopher (deceased), and mother Sarah Ann.

I didn't bother with the certs as I doubt they are accurate though I do have the cert for Cornelius b1879, at least that one does say mum Sarah Ann Wesseldine, spinster. 


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Re: One man, two men or three different men?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 05:39 BST (UK) »
The plot thickens;

In the 1881 Sarah noted with her father Cornelius and also a sibling Henry plus the two year old Cornelius. Henry's  birth ref WESELDINE, HENRY mmn GOWEN GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in HORNCASTLE Volume 07A Page 535 (same quarter as Sarah's son Cornelius).

Someone pulled up a record on Fold 3 for Henry (I don't have a sub so can't see it myself)

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Attested 2 Brigade Royal Artillery with the rank of Driver from 7 Nov 1887 to 21 Mar 1888.
Transferred to 1st Brigade 22 Mar 1888 to 10 Aug 1888* .
Deserted 11 Aug 1888 to 31 Oct 1888
Rejoined 1 Nov 1888 to 19 Nov 1888
Awaiting trial 20-21 Nov 1888
Tried & Convicted 22 Nov 1888. All former service forfeited on conviction
Imprisoned 22 Nov 1888 - 16 Jan 1889
Continued 17 Jan 1889 - 20 Jan 1889
Deserted 21 Jan 1889


Stationed:
9 Nov 1887: Colchester
22 Mar 1888: Newcastle upon Tyne
03 May 1888: Weedon

Other Info:

Age: 18 years, 9 months, born Horncastle, occupation: Labourer
Height: 5ft 4 & 3/4 ins
Weight: 128lbs
Complexion: Fair, Eyes: Grey, Hair: Light Brown
Wesleyan
Tattooed a dot on lower and back part of left forearm
two Nervii over loins(?)

Father recorded as Cornelius Wesseldine, Horncastle
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The Courts Martial record says the trial was at Weedon on 22 Nov 1888 & sentenced to 56 days with hard labour

He vanishes from the records after that point, I can't find anything for him. As he doesn't seem to like military life I find it hard to think he uses the Dobbs alias and signs up again (and I think the military stuff in the name Dobbs overlaps timewise anyway) but where does he go? I have so many dna matches to this family through Sarah and her siblings but the closest so far is the grandchild of Sidney Ratcliffe who could be anything from a half 1st cousin to a half 1c2r.


 

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Re: One man, two men or three different men?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 08:13 BST (UK) »
Says records are free for a period if you want to save original or research others.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=882875.0

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
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Re: One man, two men or three different men?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 09:13 BST (UK) »
Several different links on the forums and social media though I've had no luck getting any to work.

I just can't fathom which sibling in the generation Henry and Sarah Ann belong to is my ancestor and those two in particular have so many question marks over them. 


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Re: One man, two men or three different men?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 09:36 BST (UK) »
The record is on Findmypast. If you haven't had a previous membership, I think you can have a free trial.

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