Brady of Mountshannon on Lough Derg

[K Rees]

Can someone get me started on my Brady ancestry around Mountshannon?

What I believe:

William Brady (c1797-1861) m. Susanna Holland 11 Feb 1825 Killaloe Diocese.
They had at lease 3 children:
Obadiah (b.1829 Mountshannon d.1888 Dromana, Victoria) farmer and Methodist minister
Maria (b. 1834 Mountshannon d.1876 Amherst, Victoria) - Mrs. Henry Rees, goldminers
Henry Brady (b.1835 Mountshannon d.  )

Possible father of William Brady was William Brady of Williamstadt, Mountshannon who died in 1802.

Keith

[K Rees]

Just found land assessment 1854 Townland of Mountshannon
Lot #28 Obadiah Brady Wesleyan Methodist schoolhouse and yard
Most likely him
Nearby
Lot #19 William Brady
Lot #20 Henry Brady

Obadiah's ister Maria Brady married Henry Rees in Collingwood, Victoria 20 Aug 1855, that means she arrived in Victoria before her brother Obadiah Brady.

[K Rees]

One more lookup please?
Is there a marriage for Obadiah Brady in Mountshannon or nearby before he emigrated to Victoria mid 1850's?  Wesleyan minister or school teacher

[Elwyn Soutter]

You have this query under Co. Clare. There’s more than one place named Mountchannon in Ireland. the village where Obadiah Brady lived appears to me to be in Inishcaltra parish, Co Galway.

Can't see a marriage in Ireland for Obadiah. Some Brady marriages which do appear to relate to your broad family:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1858/09559/5465585.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1848/09358/5388690.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09318/5374205.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09378/5396532.pdf

Earliest baptism records for Inishcaltra only start in 1851.

Methodism took a lot longer to become established in Ireland as a separate denomination than in England. In Ireland there was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. In 1816 the main body of Irish Methodists (the Wesleyans) took the decision to allow baptisms in their preaching houses or chapels, but it was a practice which was only gradually introduced so that it wasn’t until the 1830s and 1840s that it became fairly standard. Because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many – including Primitive Wesleyans - continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own.

For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland.

So to summarise, you are unlikely to find many Methodist baptisms before 1820. Few marriages before the 1840s and only a handful for many years after that. If there are no Methodist records in the location you are researching, I would search Church of Ireland records instead, as that’s the most likely place to find the relevant event.

Not many Methodist Meeting Houses have graveyards and so they may be buried in public or Church of Ireland graveyards (which are open to all denominations).

Edgehill Theological College in Belfast has a Methodist historical section which may be able to tell you a little more about your ancestors connection with the Methodist church.

www.edgehillcollege.org

I don’t see Obadiah Brady in the list of Methodist Ministers in Ireland so suspect he may have been a lay preacher rather than an ordained Minister.

https://methodisthistoryireland.org/people/ministers/#1506674326964-b8ea81b0-4bf1

[K Rees]

Thank you Elwyn for your quick response.

I have made some notes of the marriages you have provided.

I did find a list of Methodist preachers in Victoria and Obadiah Brady was not on that list either.

Probate 23 Feb 1888 Melbourne
Obadiah Brady  Dromana [coastal area south of Melbourne]  Local preacher  Admin wife Elia Brady [that will be Elizabeth Garty m.25 Sep 1861 North Melbourne - she maybe from Westmeath Ireland]. Thus, he married his wife in Victoria and not Ireland before he emigrated.

Keith

[Ashtone]

According to his 1888 obit "In 1861 he was married to Miss Garty of Athlone..."

Here's the beginning of his obit:

[Ashtone]

More of the obit

[Elwyn Soutter]

Marriage notice in the Southern Reporter and Cork Commercial Courier of 27th November 1861:

“On the 25th Sept, at North Melbourne, by the Rev W. Hill, Obadiah Brady to Elizabeth, fourth daughter of Mr Broom Garty, of Athlone, Ireland.”

[Sinann]

Can’t be too many Broom Garty in Athlone so perhaps these two men are his family.

In a history article in the Westmeath Independent in 2002 and again in 2019 the Garty family get a mention.
The article is about old Inns and hotels in Athlone, a Thomas Kelly opened The Sun Hotel on Mardyke St in 1803, ……”Kelly was succeeded by Arthur Broom Garty, the son of John Garty who had a grocer shop at 4 Mardyke Street in 1766. In Cromwell’s Excursions of Ireland published in 1820 there is a view of Mardyke Street in which the hotel appears, the sigh board swinging from the facade depicts a Sun and the name ‘Garty’ Arthur Garty died in 1834.”