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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 25 May 24 02:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Ashtone,
1) how would I find a marriage in Germany? I wonder what they were doing in Germany 🤔
2) John and I had the same thought about Elizabeth's father.
3) did George/Edward return to the family? Why did he leave in the first place? Elizabeth's tale was for work 🤔
4) if they were married in 1848 you would think that there would have been another child born before Emma 1852. Perhaps in Germany 🤔
5) also between Emma and Louisa who was born 1860

This family is quite a mystery...
Many thanks again,
Isabel

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 25 May 24 16:28 BST (UK) »
1) how would I find a marriage in Germany? I wonder what they were doing in Germany 🤔

Depends what sites you are using. Do you have Ancestry and/or FindMyPast subs?
You would need the full subs to access global records.
There's also Family Search, which is free to use. You just need to register, which is hassle-free.

Personally, I find checking for any newspaper reports very helpful, too.
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

Very odd that the known births are quite spread out. Plus the mother is in and out of the workhouse.
No sign of the father(s) with the family on the 1861 or 1871 census records.
My gut feeling is there's probably different fathers involved, particularly for the younger daughters.

If there was a marriage in Germany it would be good to find the record.

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #56 on: Saturday 25 May 24 18:49 BST (UK) »
Re Riding House Lane.
It is still in existence, and now called Riding House Street (is in Westminster)
In the 1851 census in Marylebone, number 29 is on piece 1486 folio 418 page 45
There are 7 households, but there are no Edwards of course.
On the previous page are the unmarried Sarah Wood at 27, and Thomas Lawrence at 28 (as per directory entries)

Unfortunately we can't see the rate books featuring Edward Edwards, and no number is given in the transcript. Also they don't seem to have the preceding and following years to 1850 and 1851.

I haven't come across any more exams for Jane in nearby places. I was surprised that she was in the St Pancras rough exam book for 1861-2, since she went into the workhouse there several times in 1860, firstly in August (when Edward disappeared) and had been there since October. The rough exam book covering 1860 seems to be lost.
However, since it appears to be a desertion case, Jane might be in the Pancras sworn exams for 1860, as they would probably have wanted a magistrate to issue a warrant for Edward. They are arranged chronologically, I don't think they are indexed (and I don't have access to them today anyway!)

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #57 on: Saturday 25 May 24 19:06 BST (UK) »
I don't think they are indexed (and I don't have access to them today anyway!)

Hopefully Isabel has access to Ancestry, even at her local library.

Not seeing Edward or Jane in the 1851 census yet.

Not to divert attention from poor old Jane, but I see that two of her sister's older children have Windsor for a birthplace (as per the 1851 census). Not seeing marriage yet for Lewis P Farrow (tailor) and Elizabeth Smith/Smythe yet.  ??? Perhaps she brought those two children to the relationship? After all, Lewis was from Boston, Lincs.


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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #58 on: Saturday 25 May 24 20:09 BST (UK) »
Lewis Parker Farrow
Elizabeth Smith
Marriage Banns    28 Aug 1836,    Saint Giles In The Fields, Holborn:



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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 25 May 24 20:12 BST (UK) »
No wonder I didn't catch that. It doesn't appear to be on FindMyPast.  ???

Apparently, Lewis Parker Farrow (born 1805) lived and worked in his youth as a tailor in Windsor. Explains why the older children where born there.

I wonder how "Smith" became "Smythe" for sister Jane. Was she trying to be posh?

Apologies if I've missed it, but what happened to Emma Jane (born 1852) after 1861? She's not with the Edwards family in the 1871 census.

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 25 May 24 20:57 BST (UK) »

Apologies if I've missed it, but what happened to Emma Jane (born 1852) after 1861? She's not with the Edwards family in the 1871 census.

Op said the family story was that Emma went to Canada (corrected)

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 25 May 24 21:15 BST (UK) »

I wonder how "Smith" became "Smythe" for sister Jane. Was she trying to be posh?
 

And…how it became Compton by Elizabeth’s marriage.

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Re: Elizabeth Alice Edwards
« Reply #62 on: Sunday 26 May 24 05:08 BST (UK) »
Just a  thought re Jane in 1851 working as a servant for a large household in Park St, Westminster :-\

Mrs Smith - Birth abt 1826 Englefield Green, Surrey
Residence   St George Hanover Square, Middlesex

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