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Belgium death record in French 1838
« on: Monday 20 May 24 04:28 BST (UK) »
It's taken me a lot of searching to track this down!
But it looks as if it gives some interesting information about his parents.

I'd be grateful if someone can tell Denis Joseph's date of birth and address, and also the places given as where his parents came from - William and Jeanne Marie Van Weddinghen.

Denis Joseph is given as a periquier - a wig maker. I've come across this before in another of my French families. There were lots of them before the French Revolution.
I'd have thought by 1838 most people were no longer wearing wigs!

Many thanks

This is the link to the film
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DKR3-ZVP?i=151&cc=2138481&cat=89331
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #1 on: Monday 20 May 24 09:14 BST (UK) »
perruquier can mean a number of things in French - wigmaker (including hairpieces), hairstylist, barber apparently.

Many examples online including:

https://zipzipinkspot.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-wigmaker-barber-bath-and-steam-room.html

https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/perruquier

Celui qui fait des perruques, qui coiffe et rase.
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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #2 on: Monday 20 May 24 09:15 BST (UK) »
If no one else has commented I'll have a look when I get home from work tonight.
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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #3 on: Monday 20 May 24 09:45 BST (UK) »
L'an mil huit cent trente huit, le sept du mois d'avril à
dix heures du matin, pardevant nous Philippe De Pauw, Echevin, Officier
de l'Etat Civil de la Ville de Malines, province d'Anvers, sont comparus:
Lambert Henri Arnauts, barbier, âgé de quarante huit ans, gendre du
défunt et Gerard François Torfs, aide au bureau militaire en cette ville,
âgé de trente deux ans, non parent du défunt, tous deux domiciliés en
cette ville, lesquels nous ont déclaré que ce jour d'hui à six heures
moins un quart du matin est décédé en son domicile en cette ville
Denis-Joseph De Gelas, peruquier, né à Malines le
douze Janvier mil sept cent cinquante quatre, y domicilié Section D n° 194 Rue des Augustins,
époux de Catherine Toelen, âgée de quatre vingt et un ans, née à Dormael (Brabant), fils de Guillaume
De Gelas, né à Willebrouck et de Jeanne Marie Van Weddinghen, née à Louvain, tous deux décédés; et ont les comparans après
lecture faite, signé le présent acte avec nous. Fait en l'Hôtel de Ville à Malines les jour, mois & an ci-dessus.


Death of Denis-Joseph De Gelas on 7 April 1838 at 5.45 am.
He was born on 12 January 1754 in Mechelen, wigmaker, and died at his home in Augustijnenstraat 194 Mechelen
He was the husband of Catherine Toelen, 81 years old, born in Dormaal.
He was the son of Guillaume (William) De Gelas, born in Willebroek & Jeanne Marie Van Weddinghen, born in Leuven, both deceased.

Reported on 7 April 1838 at 10 am by 2 witnesses, both living in Mechelen:
Lambert Henri Arnauts, barber, 48 years old, son-in-law
&
Gerard François Torfs, Assistant in the Military Office of the City, 32 years old, not-related

This was written in French, but I've given the names of the places, as well as the name of the street in Dutch.
Malines: Mechelen
Willebrouck: Willebroek
Louvain: Leuven
Dormael: Dormaal
Rue des Augustins: Augustijnenstraat


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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #4 on: Monday 20 May 24 10:08 BST (UK) »
I know you would have found it by yourself, but here's the birth of your Denis ;)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZK-QRXT?i=169&cat=712923
(right page, middle)
Mechelen, parish of Sint Rombout

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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #5 on: Monday 20 May 24 10:51 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Zefiro for the transcription and the link to the baptism.
I did spend some considerable time looking at the Mechelen registers for this birth, but to no avail!
How did you find it so quickly Zefiro?
There must be 8 or 10 different churches in Mechelen it could have been in. How did you know it was that church? Have you got a secret list of names?!!  ;)
You can't see the marriage of William and Jeanne Marie Van Weddinghen can you?
These early Belgium records don't seem to have found their way onto MyHeritage - or any other site for that matter.

Thanks manukarik too for the links. My guess he would have been more a barber by this time rather than a wigmaker.
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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 May 24 10:59 BST (UK) »

How did you find it so quickly Zefiro?
There must be 8 or 10 different churches in Mechelen it could have been in. How did you know it was that church? Have you got a secret list of names?!!  ;)


I don't have a secret list. I just started with the biggest and most logical churches. I started with Onze-Lieve-Vrouw-Church, but no result. Next one was Sint Rombout ;)
It helped that there was an exact date of birth. If only his year of birth would have been mentionned, it would have taken a bit more time to track down the right baptism.

You can't see the marriage of William and Jeanne Marie Van Weddinghen can you?

I'll do my best.

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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #7 on: Monday 20 May 24 11:11 BST (UK) »
Ok. Managed to find it!
I started with the same church, and luckily there is a film of an index to the marriages.
(I found this doesn't aways happen).

Not that it tells me much more than their names.
The death notice was more helpful in saying where they came from.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSLZ-G99L-S?i=171&cat=712923

Thanks for your help again.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Belgium death record in French 1838
« Reply #8 on: Monday 20 May 24 11:58 BST (UK) »
Index led me to the deaths of a Guillaume and a Jeanne Marie.
It's hard not to be underwhelmed by the information provided.  :'(

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MM-J929-Z?i=392&cat=712923
(top left)
arm sinckinge: literally poor lowering of the body into the grave, so a poor man's funeral
corte schipstraet: name of street (place of residence of deceased), now called Korte Schipstraat

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZK-Z161?i=15&cat=712923
(top right)
clijn lijck: literally small corpse, here in the meaning of very modest funeral