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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 09:18 BST (UK) »
On the shipping record it definitely states 'John Avery' as the father.
Any ideas what it states after that?

John Avery a Mariner ?

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 13:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you everyone for your replies.
It has given me more than what I hoped for.

I think it will be Modbury, as there is a baptism there in 1812 for Mary Ann Avery, with a father John, and mother Grace Hodge
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3XQ-3RP

A marriage for John and Grace in Modbury in 1807


Mary Ann's husband, John Stephens, was from Ilfracombe


Wondering where you found that John Stephens was from Ilfracombe?
I had been told this before but looking at the same shipping record for him it states he was from Ipplepen, Devon.
Are there other records for him that state Ilfracombe?
Thanks.

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 16:18 BST (UK) »
I would say Ipplepen.

Genuki - Ipplepen, Devon is 14 miles (23 Km) NE of Modbury, Devon.  This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Modbury
Within the South Hams area.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Ipplepen

https://www.genuki.org.uk/node/10439/countymap

Do you have Ancestry? There are a few trees that have siblings for Mary Ann Avery. Not checked all, but for John they have Ipplepen as pob. Would check it out, but would verify with own research.

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 May 24 22:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Chris
You had not posted the page for John  Stephens so I was not able to see the original writing.
Yes it does look more like “Ipplepen”.
I came across this transcription – which takes some guesses at words. One of their guesses is Ilfracombe
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL24-NZR


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These were the siblings for Mary Ann Avery – children of John and Grace
•   Elizabeth Avery baptised 1808 Modbury (see below)
•   John Avery baptised 1809 Modbury


I was looking for the father John Avery in the census and discovered that the family seem to have been in the Channel Isles at some point. As you know, your Mary Ann was there for the 1841 census.

Her sister Elizabeth Avery married on 22 Feb 1837 in St Helier, Jersey, to John Puckett, a stone mason.
They are living in Jersey for the 1841 census and are in Dorset for the 1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2V-R4L (not a good transcription)

Elizabeth Puckett and her husband and their 5 children arrived in NSW on “Wilson Kennedy” in Dec 1852.
For Elizabeth it gives the following useful information -  born in Modbury Devon, parents John and Grace – father supposed to be living in Devonshire; Relative in the colony - sister Mary Stephens at Kissing Point.

There is a death for Elizabeth Puckett in Coottamundra NSW in 1881
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 May 24 10:20 BST (UK) »
There are also these possibles to be aware that may be connected. Area is around 6/7miles from Modbury.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1966:8830 - the old parish map

Name   George Avery
Baptism Date   29 Sep 1813
Baptism Place   Newton Ferrers, Devon, England
Father   John Avery
Mother   Grace
FHL Film Number   917203

Name   Edward Avery
Baptism Date   16 Apr 1815
Baptism Place   Newton Ferrers, Devon, England
Father   John Avery
Mother   Grace
FHL Film Number   917203

Possible -1841 in Guernsey

Name   Edward Avery
Age   25
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1816
Gender   Male
Where born   England
Civil parish   The Vale
County/Island   Guernsey

Name   Robert Avery
Birth Date   14 Jun 1822
Baptism Date   20 Oct 1822
Baptism Place   Newton Ferrers, Devon, England
Father   John Avery
Mother   Grace
FHL Film Number   917203

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 22 May 24 23:55 BST (UK) »
Yes Cas, I also saw those baptisms for children in Newton Ferrers.
I was unsure if it is the same family, although with Edward being in Guernsey in 1841 you might think it is a good possibility.

On their baptisms, the father, John Avery, is described as a Yeoman, so there might be a will to find for him. I think he must have still been alive for both 1841 and 1851 census.
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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 23 May 24 06:06 BST (UK) »
Wow!
Thanks you so much for all the information.
It is more than I was expecting.

I've never been able to locate the marriage of John Stephens to Mary Ann Avery.
I'd assumed about 1832 in Modbury, but nothing there.
Maybe though it could be in Guernsey, if the Avery's were there maybe that's where they met and married.
Any ideas how to check this?
Thanks.
Chris.

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 23 May 24 06:28 BST (UK) »
With their first child born in Guernsey in abt 1833, it is possible that John and Mary Ann married there.


I don't think early BMD records for Guernsey are online any where. Some information here --
https://www.priaulxlibrary.co.uk/sites/default/files/uploads/pdfs/Using%20family%20history%20records%20booklet.pdf
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Handwriting help - Devon Parishes
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 23 May 24 07:50 BST (UK) »
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Channel_Islands_(including_Jersey_and_Guernsey)_Online_Genealogy_Records

Link should take you to where records are kept or available. Looks like lots maybe pay to view. Not sure of coverage.

Info on link to search by island.

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