Anne ROBERTSON ca 1843

[CaroleW]

A tree on Ancestry shows Elizabeth's parents as Charles & Ann nee Brough.  It also shows Ann Robertson as a half sister to Elizabeth

Makes no sense as the Robertson/Brough marriage was 1833??

[Forfarian]

A tree on Ancestry shows Elizabeth's parents as Charles & Ann nee Brough.  It also shows Ann Robertson as a half sister to Elizabeth
Makes no sense as the Robertson/Brough marriage was 1833??

Well, it is Ancestry - I wouldn't expect it to make sense. But it's worth looking at.

According to the OPRs at SP, Charles R and Ann Brough had two sons, Charles in 1834 and Andrew in 1836.

The family are in Perth in 1841: Charles, 35; Ann, 30; Charles, 6; Andrew, 4; Mary, 3; James, 1; plus John Brown, 6 months and Esther Paul, 11.

In 1851 (surname spelled Roberson) there are Charles, 49; Ann, 36; Charles, 17; Andrew, 15; Mary, 13; Ann, 10; Cathrine, 7; James, 11; Jean, 4; and Margret, 1.

They are also in Perth in 1861: Ann Brouch, married, 46; Charles, 27; Margaret, 10; Elisbath, 8; and grandson Andrew Glasgow, 3. Charles senior wasn't with his wife and the youngest members of his family.

So there is an Ann, but if she was really 10 in 1851 she was born in 1840/1841, not 1843; and a full sister Elizabeth, born 1852/1853. It's quite possible that this is your Ann Robertson.

As suggested, you really need to get Elizabeth's marriage certificate to find out her father's name and occupation.

Also take a look at that marriage in Edinburgh in 1863. In fact, do that first, because if it's her it will name both her parents, unlike Elizabeth's English certificate which will cost you more and tell you less.

[garlands]

Well, you've certainly given me plenty to digest and follow-up. Thank you. I'll keep you posted.

As an aside, I enjoyed Forfarian's comment on Ancestry. I never could get on with it when I was a volunteer at my local library; I was always much more comfortable with FindMyPast!

[garlands]

Carole,

Re Reply #4

I cannot find another instance of the surname KETWIDGE; I think your KETTERIDGE is much more likely, and the rest of your research would seem to confirm that.

I've looked at the original of the '81 Census, and have to agree with the transcriber, so I can't post a correction. I think the enumerator probably did his best with what he'd been told, but got it slightly wrong. I'm going with KETTERIDGE; do you agree?

George

[garlands]

Accepting that Elizabeth (nee ROBERTSON) is the mother of Charles KETTERIDGE, and that she is a sister of Anne, a search for a ROBERTSON family in Perthshire in 1851 has yielded only one result, viz:-

James ROBERTSON    Head      b 1805    Auchterarder
Ann           do            Wife       b 1810    Trinity Gask
Ann           do         Daughter   b 1841    Crieff
James       do              Son       b 1843       do
Charles     do              Son       b 1845       do
Elizabeth   do          Daughter   b 1848       do
Harry        do              Son       b 1851       do

I think this is 'my' Ann and her parents. Is that OK?

[Forfarian]

No, it's not OK. You are making an assumption which is not correct.
 
There is another family in Perthshire in 1851 and 1861 with a daughter Ann and a daughter Elizabeth of roughly the right ages.

In my last post I investigated the family of Charles R and Ann Brough.

The family are in Perth in 1841: Charles, 35; Ann, 30; Charles, 6; Andrew, 4; Mary, 3; James, 1; plus John Brown, 6 months and Esther Paul, 11.

In 1851 (surname spelled Roberson) there are Charles, 49; Ann, 36; Charles, 17; Andrew, 15; Mary, 13; Ann, 10; Cathrine, 7; James, 11; Jean, 4; and Margret, 1.

They are also in Perth in 1861: Ann Brouch, married, 46; Charles, 27; Margaret, 10; Elisbath, 8; and grandson Andrew Glasgow, 3. Charles senior wasn't with his wife and the youngest members of his family.

Not being very good at being kept in suspense, I shelled out 5 credits for the marriage certificate of Ann Robertson and Edward Hills in 1863. This tells me that Edward Hills, 29, Bombardier Royal Artillery, 46 Cumberland Street, Edinburgh, son of Henry Hills, butcher, and Hannah Hills, maiden surname Davidson, married Ann Robertson, 22, domestic servant, 10 Saxe-Coburg Street, Edinburgh, daughter of Charles Robertson, sawyer, and Ann Robertson, maiden surname Brougham.

As this information tallies exactly with the other information about this couple apart from the groom's given name and '-am' being added to the end of the bride's mother's maiden surname, I am pretty sure that this is your Ann Robertson.

However to clinch it you must get Elizabeth's father's name and occupation from her English marriage certificate.

The family in Crieff is that of James R and Ann(e) Davidson. I have found no trace of them after the birth of their daughter Mary in Crieff in 1857 and I wonder if they might have emigrated.

[garlands]

I must be missing something. Apart from not having the correct father's name, none of the 3 families in your quote has daughters named Elizabeth and Ann. That combination would seem to rule them out.

[Neale1961]

I must be missing something. Apart from not having the correct father's name, none of the 3 families in your quote has daughters named Elizabeth and Ann. That combination would seem to rule them out.

Charles ROBERTSON married Ann BROUGH 26 Apr 1833 Perth

Sons  Charles (1834) and Andrew (1836) have baptism records in Perth.
Other children : Mary (abt 1838), James (abt 1840), Ann (abt 1841), Catherine (abt 1844), Jean (abt 1847), Margaret (abt 1850), Elizabeth (abt 1853)

It looks as if the father Charles died before 1855.

1841 census ROBERTSON (as noted by Forfarian)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/60ea4baaf493fd786325bcd9/andrew-robertson-1841-perthshire-perth-1837-?locale=en

Elizabeth Roberton married David Ketteridge in 1873
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CXFH-Z56Z
Marriage record may not give her father’s name.

[Neale1961]

Henry HILLS married Sarah Ann DAVIDSON 23 Dec 1828 Norfolk
Henry appears in the census as a “thatcher”.
Children:- Thomas Henry 1832, Henry 1834, William James 1837, Robert Davidson 1839, Hannah Elizabeth 1842, James 1844, Charles 1845, Davidson 1848, Edward 1850.

Sarah Ann died in 1853 (age 44)

In 1855 Henry HILLS (widower) married Charlotte SKIPPER
Children :- John James 1856, Frederick 1858



Henry HILL junior was with the Royal Artillery and was pensioned on 20 May 1879. He obviously did well, having reached the rank of Serjeant.