Mary Oakley Over and Astbury

[Talacharn]

I have mentioned Mary Oakley and parts of the family before, but went back to my grandmother and double-checked everything. Mary was my great-great-grandmother and died aged 20. There are links between the Oakley, Oakes and Williamson families, and they also link to Astbury near Congleton about 16 miles away. I have traced my Oakes line to Jane Oakley; it is just this knot I need to unpick.

From Family Search there are two Christenings listed with images.
Baptism: Mary Oakley . Female
David Oakley (Tailor) and Nancy
13 Feb 1814 . Swanlow, Over, Cheshire
Baptism: Mary Oakley . Female (Bishop’s Transcripts)
David Oakley (Tailor) and Nanny/Nancy
21 Jul 1816 . Swanlow, Over, Cheshire
They are the same parents, so I assume the first Mary died, but I cannot find a death/burial; and there is no alternative recorded in Astbury.

Mary had two children Jane and Henry in Buglawton, Congleton, and used the church in Astbury:
Baptism: Jane Oakley . Female
Mary Oakley . / . 16 Apr 1831 . Astbury, Cheshire . Illegitimate
At birth, Mary would have been 15 years old and probably working.
Baptism: Henry Oakley . Male
David Oakley and Mary
25 Apr 1834 . Astbury, Cheshire
If David and Nancy Oakley are her parents, I assume the Baptism was undertaken by her father? Then 20 days later mother and son are buried:
Burial: Mary Oakeley . 20 . Unmarried
Burial: Henry Oakeley . 0 infant
15 Jun 1834 . Astbury Congleton, Cheshire
An age of 20 gives a birth year 1814 not 1816.
Could there be a mistake with the Bishop’s Transcript, or was there a mistake with her age?
One transcription says St Peters, Congleton, but from the image it is Astbury Parish. I do not know the area other than passing through.
Does St. Peter’s fall within Astbury Parish, or is it St. Mary’s?
Are David and Nancy Oakley the parents of Mary?

I didn’t want to swamp my first post with too much information, or too many questions, so more will follow. Any help would be gratefully received as I am scratching my head with this branch.
 
Talacharn

[Talacharn]

I found Jane on the 1841 Census.
1841 Census . Weaver Court House . Middlewich, Cheshire
William Williamson . M . 60 . Cheshire
Mary Williamson . F . 60 . Cheshire
Jane Oakley . F . 8 . Cheshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 96/4 . Page Number: 13
Weaver Court House I know as Court House Farm. Located just outside the Over boundary, that side of the road was Middlewich district rather than Darnhall and referred to as Weaver, as it stretched down to the River Weaver.

I then found an Intended Marriage document that shows Mary links to John, with Astbury and Over. John Oakes of Darnhall in the Parish of Whitegate in the County of Chester . Farmer . That he is of the Age of Twenty One Years and upwards and a Batchelor. Jane Oakley of the District of Buglawton in the County of Chester aforesaid Nineteen Years . Spinster. Parochial Chapel of the District of Buglawton. And he further made the Oath that the said Jane Oakley hath no father living or Guardian of her person appointed by the Court of Chancery and having authority to consent to the marriage. Signed: John Oakes
GS Film: 1911717 . Digital Folder: 4018722 . Image: 1113

1851 Census: Weaver, Cheshire
William Williamson . Head .73 (1778) . Crowton, Cheshire . Thatcher
Mary Williamson . Wife . 73 (1778) . Haslington, Cheshire
John Oakes . Grandson . 30 . Alpraham, Cheshire
Jane Oakes . Wife . 19 . Buglawton, Cheshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 2166/165
On Family Search Oakes had been transcribed as Cakes.
As yet I have not made the link between John Oakes and William Williamson.

From the little information I can find, I am not sure their dates fit.
Marriage: David Oakley . Ann Daniels . 26 Jul 1801 . Over, Cheshire . both of this parish. Ann was Christened 05 Apr 1776 in Church Minshull and 3 miles from Over church. It is the only marriage I can find, with nothing for a Nancy. When I search for Ann I have also been offered Nancy.
Is Nancy interchangeable with Ann?
Therefore, are David and Nancy the same as David and Ann(e)?
From the dates, at that time, would a 7 year difference be acceptable?

More confusion from Census and Baptism entries:
From Census records there is only one David Oakley in Cheshire, and living in Mill Street, Astbury (1841) or Buglawton.
1841 Census: David is with Ann and children Samuel b.1826, Emma b.1827, and Mary b.1837. HO107 . Piece/Folio 119/8.
1851 Census: David is with Ann and daughter Mary Elizabeth b.1836. He is a Beer Seller and both were born in Middlewich, 1794, which would include Weaver and Court House. HO107 . Piece/Folio 2167 / 156.
1861 Census: David is with his son and family at Mill Street, Buglawton. Born in 1794 he is 67 and a Brick Maker, as is his son. RG09 . Piece/Folio 2609/28

My other issue concerns David’s occupation, as Tailor, to Beer Seller, to Labourer, to Brick Maker, they are quite different. It may suggest different people; or could tailoring require good light, with beer selling in an evening or the winter months?

There are several Christenings of Oakley children. Registers used seem to be Over St. Chad’s and the Bishop’s Transcripts for Astbury Parish.
If married in 1801, why the gap until 1812 for their first child?
If born 1794, the first child was born aged 18, which seems more likely.
… Caleb Oakley 05 Jan 1812 at Over with David and Nanny (no image available); Elizabeth 08 Jul 1821, John 25 Mar 1831, Hanies (Female) 17 Mar 1833 were all both at Over, with parents David and Anne Oakley. There is a Christening of Samuel Oakley on 10 Jul 1825 in Astbury with David and Ann Oakley and he is a Tailor not a Beer Seller. Mary Elizabeth from the 1851 Census, was Christened 12 Feb 1837, three years after Mary died with David being a Labourer. Children were being born over 25 years, so Nancy and Ann may, or may not be the same person. If 16 when the first child was born, she would be 41 at the time of the last. Nothing seems to be conflicting through the years.

As for the death of David Oakley there is further confusion:
Death: David Oakley . 79
10 Mar 1871 . Poor Law Union. Cheshire
Death: David Oakley . 85 (Est. 1786)
Jan-Mar 1871 . Congleton . Volume 8a . Page 215
Burial: David Oakley . 78
13 Mar 1871 . St Peters, Congleton
The death registration places him 8 years older than the previous 1794 birth, and possibly old enough to marry in 1801 aged 15.

[garstonite]

Well - it has taken 20 years without anyone posting about my Oakes ancestors from Over in the 1700's -  my name is Oakes and my furthest ancestor is John Oakes 1675 - Over - married Rebecca Worsley - buried in St Chads church ,Over - children Ralph Oakes / Sarah Oakes /Margaret /Mary /William /Abigail - baptised in St Chads ,Over - so obviously I have a lot of Oakes in my Family tree - if you want to know if we have any in common - just post a name and year and place of birth - my Oakes in Over / and Middlewich mainly - but then go to Backford for a while - then Neston and Little Neston - my G G Grandfather Daniel Oakes came here to Garston , Liverpool in 1870 to work as a Blacksmith on Garston Dock - and we are still in Garston - no matter the result - it is nice to see a post about my family surname from the same village - Over - in the 1700's ....
ADDED - I wonder if this is the earliest Oakes / - Astbury first connection
Rebecca Worsley - MY DIRECT ANCESTOR - just checked my tree - she WASN'T from Over
Rebecca Worsley
Born about 1674 - Astbury, Cheshire, England
Deceased
 
Spouses and children
Married March 23, 1695, Chester, Cheshire, England, to John Oakes ca 1675- with
M Ralph Oakes ca 1702- my direct Ancestor
F Sarah Oakes ca 1710-
M Unknown Middlewich Oakes ca 1720-
F Margaret Oakes 1721-
F Mary Oakes 1725-
M William Oakes †1721

you will notice between the marriage 1695 and Ralph is 7 years - so more than likely other childrenj before Ralph AND 10 years after Sarah - so probably more children in those 10 years - I am not perfect ...lol
 
 

[Talacharn]

Hi Garsonite, From an earlier post, I am aware you are of Oakes lineage and thought it might wake you into responding. I suspect there are links between Over and Asbury going way back with the Oakes and Oakley families. My main issue with the Oakley family is David Oakley. From the information, is he one person or two?

John’s father was Richard Oakes and there are only two Baptisms I can find with the father’s name Richard and censuses say he was born c.1821 in Wettenhall or Alpraham/Bunbury.
Baptism: John Oakes . 16 May 1819 . Bunbury, Cheshire . Father's Name: Richard Oakes . Mother's Name: Ellen . GS Film: 2093505 . Digital Folder: 004018860 . Image: 00742

Marriage: Richard Oakes 23 Batchelor . Ellen Fenna/Tennah 21 Spinster
15 Mar 1812 . Bunbury, Cheshire
There is a connection of John working on the Tennah’s farm.

I tried DNA, but my family is now so small, it is difficult to locate more distant relatives. To support that search, I am populating my family tree, from as far back as possible and bringing each branch forward hoping to find recognisable names. Once I have untied my Oakley knot, my next branch will be the Oakes. I still need to find how John Oakes is the grandson of William and Mary Williamson.

[garstonite]

Maybe you can educate me - I have seen Oakes from Alpraham ,Calveley - is this one village or two

[Talacharn]

They are two small villages/hamlets with Barrets Green between on the A51, and all very close. From Barrets Green, Long Lane takes you to Wettenhall. Although they were small hamlets (now greatly added to), their geography stretched. You can see how the different families were linked. I was born and raised near to St. Chad's.

[garstonite]

Thanks ....

[LizzieL]

There is a marriage for a David Oakley, widower, age 63 in the church of Buglawton in the parish of Astbury on 25 Nov 1857 to Phoebe Ann Holland age 36 spinster. David is a victualler, his father is Caleb Oakley, cordwainer. 
How does that match with census records in 1851 and 1861 (before and after marriage?)

[LizzieL]

There is a David Oakley s/o Caleb baptised in Over 28 Apr 1794. No mother's name recorded