Jacob Owens (+ wife)

[Ashtone]

As William gives three different occupations for father Jacob leads me to think that he's fictitious.

[rosie17]

I can't make out Agnes's  place of residence on her marriage but I did see a copy of the marriage of William Owens on someone's tree and his place of marriage looks like the same ..Will have another look I couldn't find anything on the Kirk Records either ..I think this Agnes could be Williams mother

Rosie

[danieloks2ndaccount]

I think there is some truth to Jacob. Maybe forged occupations but I think the name is probably right.

The location looks the same, and, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the marriage date and place is the same too, which is interesting. Both married February 24, 1860 at Kilth(?) Place, Kilmaurs (though by different Ministers; William & his wife were married by the Minister of Kilmaurs while Agnes & her husband were married by the Minister of Kilmarnock).

[rosie17]

It certainly looks like the same place I think she is Williams mother he states she is alive in 1860 on his first marriage .On his second marriage she is deceased Jacob Owens is most probably his father but I don't think there was ever a marriage
Have you got Agnes on the 1851 census ?

Rosie

[danieloks2ndaccount]

I did try to look for the 1851 census but couldn't find it. At that time Agnes would've been married to James Wylie as aforementioned, and I haven't been able to find a death record for him. He must've died before 1860 as Agnes is a widow at that times.

[rosie17]

I will have a look tomorrow I'm sure I have came across her but in saying that have looked at so many Agnes's

Rosie

[Forfarian]

I got the marriage certificate; she only writes Agnes K Richmond, tho' her mothers maiden name is Kennedy. She is 36 and a widow but does not sign with her married name.

Legally, a married woman does not lose her maiden surname on marriage. It's quite common to find a wife or widow in the census under her own maiden surname.

I have looked for William's birth in the Parish records with no success

Before the start of civil registration most deaths went unrecorded. The exceptions are if the person died in a parish where burial records were kept, or if there is a gravsetone, or if the death was announced in a newspaper.

Censuses say he was born in Kilmarnock; though the 1891 census says Kilmaurs.

Is that the original document, or a transcription that may be wrong?

As William gives three different occupations for father Jacob leads me to think that he's fictitious.

What are the three occupations?

[rosie17]

The 3 occupations mentioned are
Soldier
Miner
Blacksmith Journeyman

Rosie

[danieloks2ndaccount]

The 1891 census was a mistranscription, apologies. So all censuses say Kilmarnock.

I am fairly confident that Agnes is his mother. Now just the identity of his father...