Edward Trahar/Traher (1770 or 1811)

[qu1ckdry]

Hi All,

I'd like to get some thoughts and suggestions into my research of Edward Trahar. Ancestry insists that his full name is Edward "Woolcock" Trahar and was born in 1811 - however he's never referred to as "Woolcock" in any of the baptism or marriage records that I've seen. I think there's a chance he was born in 1770, but there are also a few issues with that...

Here's what I know:
-1827  - Marries Jane Underwood in Bermondsey, London [Record: Marriage Banns]
-1828  - Daughter Mary Ann born in Bermondsey, London [Occupation Carpenter; Record: Baptism]
~1831 - Son Edward John born in Tower Hamlets, London [Occupation Carpenter; Record: Baptism]
~1835 - Son Henry born in Tower Hamlets, London [Occupation Carpenter; Record: Baptism]

-1840 - Jane Trahar (now a widower) marries John Schwarman [Record: Marriage Cert]
-1841 - Jane is living with John and 7 children, including Mary, Edward and Henry [Record: Census]

So it seems Edward Trahar must have died between 1835 and 1840. I've looked on GRO and found the death of an Edward Traher(sp) in 1838. As GRO records start in 1837 there's a chance this is the wrong one and the right one died between 1835-1837.

I have a copy of the death certificate for this Edward Traher (attached):
-1838 - Edward Traher dies at 68 due to "trauma/tumour in the face" in Falmouth, Cornwall [Occupation Shoe Maker; Record: Death Cert].
I can't quite transcribe the information about the witness. I think it says "The mark of Jane <something> wife of a sailor <then some other stuff>". I wonder who she is and why she is the witness to the death?

If this death cert is indeed him then it means:
- 57 when he got married (seems old for the time!)
- 65 when last child was born (seems old for the time!)
- Occupations don't match
- Was in Cornwall when he died

So what do you all think? Which Edward married Jane Underwood in 1827? The Edward Trahar of 1811 or the one of 1770?

[rosie99]

I think the name is Jane Lewarne.

I doubt that the death certificate is your Edward 


ADDED In 1851 there is a Jane T Lewarn in Falmouth, a Mariners wife living in Porhan(?) Street

[qu1ckdry]

Yeah the ages difference would be quite a lot plus the different occupation. I guess he must have died between 1835-1837 or maybe his death was recorded under a version of Trahar I haven't tried. It's a shame as I'd like to have found a link back to Cornwall. The family consensus is that there is one - I just can't find it!

[fiddlerslass]

Seems a bit of a coincidence that there is also an Edward Traher 58 a carpenter not born in county and wife Grace 57 living in Bermondsey 1841   who may be your Edwards parents as sons often follow the same occupation as their fathers. Or they could be some other relation for example an uncle.

Ancestry transcribed surname as Grabar, resident at Gourlstons buildings

Piece    1047
Book    5
Folio    33
Page number    11

They are at 17 Ernest Street Bermondsey in 1851, he is born Cornwall. Her place of birth may be St Gluvias,  but it is hard to read.



https://www.genuki.org.uk/gazetteer?place=St%20glu&county=18&search_type=3&display_type=1


Household schedule number    227
Piece    1560
Folio    63
Page number    49

There is a marriage in 1802 between Edward Traher of Perranarworthal and Grace Nicholas at St Gluvias
Can you find any children born to this couple?

[qu1ckdry]

Thanks for those clues! I've had a look and it's pretty clear to the human eye that it's Trahar. How you got there from Grabar is impressive! It didn't come up on any of my searches.

I'll pull on this thread and see where it leads...

[fiddlerslass]

A few further thoughts....
.
There is a Jane Trahar age 2, niece living with the Schwarman family in 1851. She must be related to Edward.

From GRO

Birth reg TRAHAR, JANE  ELIZABETH      mother maiden name TRAHAR     
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST)  Volume 02  Page 116

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

This would seem to be the Jane Elizabeth chr at St John the Baptist Hoxton Middlesex on 22 Jan 1862, dob 22 Sept 1848, daughter of John, deceased Mariner and Mary Ann. (Gut feeling is John is a made up father)

Might be worth investing in her birth cert to see who Mary Ann Trahar was.

The witnesses at the 1827 marriage to Jane Underwood, were Elizabeth JAMES and John Wheeler.

An Elizabeth Trahar married William JAMES on 6 may 1823 at Saint George The Martyr: Borough High Street, Southwark. Witnesses William Stevens, Temperance Stevens. I think the Stevens were a married couple as there are a few baptisms to a pair of this name in Southwark. William was a hair dresser. Temperance was nee Williams. May just have been family friends.

[qu1ckdry]

I've just been looking at Elizabeth Traher (~1805) as there is an 1805 baptism record for her in Perranarworthal. It lists her parents as Edward Traher and Grace (~1785).

For Grace Nicholas there is a 1787 baptism record in St Gluvias which is a pretty close match to the ages given in the 1841 and 1851 census's and the location listed as her birth.

For Edward there is a 1782 baptism record in Perranarworthal where the Pallot's Marrige Index says he is from. It list his name as Edward "Benbow" Trahar

No record to link Edward and Grace to my Edward as yet. Though it seems likley Elizabeth is either his sister or cousin. Though one Ancestry tree list him as the son of Grace Nicholas with a birth of 01 Jun 1803. Unfortunately there's no record to back this up!

[qu1ckdry]

I've been talking to someone on Ancestry who believes that Edward and Elizabeth were siblings. They have Edward as being born in Cornwall on 1 Jun 1803. Unfortunately there's no records for it! Just information from other trees...

Given that Elizabeth was baptised in Perranarworthal, Cornwall, does anyone know if there's a way for me to read through the actual baptism image scans? There could be a transcription error and I have a rough date to scroll around.

[fiddlerslass]

Try familysearch

Here's Elizabeth in 1805

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-893K-KLF9?i=107&cat=1833654