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Edmonds of Carisbrook
« on: Sunday 08 September 24 10:47 BST (UK) »
Hi

I am investigating Mary Catherine Edmonds/Edmunds, who I believe first appears on the UK Census in 1861 at the "Eight Bells", Carisbrook Street, Carisbrook, as Mary C Stephens, "Daughter" of Mary Stephens, widow of Charles Stephens.  Also there are Mary's daughter, Emily Stephens, and her son, Benjamin Joseph Edmonds Stephens.

I can't find Mary Catherine in 1871, although her "mother" (Mary) and "brother" (Benjamin) are with Mary's new husband, Henry Denness (actually shown as Dennis) at Niton.

As Mary Catherine Edmunds, she married William (James) Wall in 1875 and then appears as a visitor, "Mary C Wall" with Henry and Mary Denness at Weard Cottage, Niton, at the time of the 1881 Census.

As Catherine Mary Wall, she appears on the 1921 Census (with William) at 2 Greenham Court Cottages, Greenham, Newbury.  Her age is 58 years and seven months.

This age would take us back to November 1852 in Carisbrook for a birth and there is indeed a birth of "Mary Catherine Edmonds" on 25 November 1852 at Carisbrook (no father given).  However, her mother is Rosena Ann Edmonds, not Mary.  This is confirmed by the baptism, although the birthdate given is 9 November and her mother is "Rossanna", and Mary Catherine is confirmed as illegitimate.

So who is Rosena, and how does she fit in with the Edmonds family?  There is an "Ann Edmonds" aged 7 living with Charles and Mary Stephens and Mary's mother, Hannah Edmonds, at the time of the 1841 Census.  Could this be Rosena Ann, perhaps an illegitimate child of Mary?  This would make Mary Catherine Edmonds, the granddaughter of Mary, rather than the daughter?

Mary has already been married (in 1837) to John Smith and had a daughter, Edith.  I assume John died before Mary's marriage to Charles Stephens.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Thanks.

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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 08 September 24 14:57 BST (UK) »
Edith Smith
Baptism 4 Jul 1837 St Mary, Hampshire
Parish as it Appears   Carisbrooke
Father John Smith, labourer Mother Mary abode Bowcombe

Mary Edmunds & John Smith married  14 May 1837 St Mary, Carisbrook

Where is daughter Edith Smith in 1841?

Mary Edmunds
Baptism 25 Sep 1814 St Mary, Hampshire
Parish as it Appears   Carisbrook in the Isle of Wight
Father Joseph, labourer Mother    Hannah abode Bowcombe

There are bpts for a Harriott 1813 & Benjamin 1814 in Carisbrook same parents

Mary Smith
Marriage 16 May 1841 St. Mary, Carisbrooke, Hampshire
Father   Joseph Edmunds
Spouse   Charles Stephens
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Not found anything for Rosena

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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 September 24 15:36 BST (UK) »
For info…. in case it helps anyone else looking

looks as if Edith Smith birth registered as Edmunds

EDMUNDS, EDITH   -
GRO Reference: 1837  D Quarter in ISLE OF WIGHT  Volume 08  Page 186   

Emily Stephens
Baptism 9 Oct 1842    Carisbrooke: St Mary, Hampshire
Father Charles, labourer Mother   Mary

STEPHENS, EMILY   mmn EDMUNDS
GRO Reference: 1842  D Quarter in ISLE OF WIGHT  Volume 08  Page 217   

Mary Catharine Edmonds
Denomination   Primitive Methodist
Birth 9 Nov 1852 Baptism 23 Jan 1853 Baptism Place   England
Mother   Rossanna Edmonds
Circuit or Register   Isle of Wight Circuit

EDMONDS, MARY  CATHERINE   -
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in ISLE OF WIGHT  Volume 02B  Page 459   

Benjamin Joseph Edmonds Stephens
Baptism Date   12 Jul 1857 Carisbrooke: St Mary, Hampshire
Father Charles, labourer Mother    Mary

STEPHENS, BENJAMIN  JOSEPH EDMUNDS mmn   EDMUNDS 
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in ISLE OF WIGHT  Volume 02B  Page 452

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I am investigating Mary Catherine Edmonds/Edmunds, who I believe first appears on the UK Census in 1861 at the "Eight Bells", Carisbrook Street, Carisbrook, as Mary C Stephens, "Daughter" of Mary Stephens, widow of Charles Stephens.
 Also there are Mary's daughter, Emily Stephens, and her son, Benjamin Joseph Edmonds Stephens.

As Mary Catherine Edmunds, she married William (James) Wall in 1875 and then appears as a visitor, "Mary C Wall" with Henry and Mary Denness at Weard Cottage, Niton, at the time of the 1881 Census.

As Catherine Mary Wall, she appears on the 1921 Census (with William) at 2 Greenham Court Cottages, Greenham, Newbury.  Her age is 58 years and seven months.


Is there a father named on Mary Catherine Edmunds 1875 marriage certificate?





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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 September 24 16:30 BST (UK) »

Where is daughter Edith Smith in 1841?


Possibly in Brixton (Brighstone) in the south of the Isle of Wight, with William and Esther Smith - relations of her father?


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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 September 24 16:38 BST (UK) »
Is there a father named on Mary Catherine Edmunds 1875 marriage certificate?

I don't have that. The marriage is not on the IoW Family History Database nor the IoW Victorian Marriage Registers pdf.

I could order from GRO.

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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 08 September 24 16:55 BST (UK) »
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The marriage is not on the IoW Family History Database

Yes it is:

1875   William WALL and Mary Catherine EDMUNDS at the Congregational Chapel, High Street, Ventnor   (RO21/179)

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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 08 September 24 16:56 BST (UK) »
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Mary Catharine Edmonds
Denomination   Primitive Methodist
Birth 9 Nov 1852 Baptism 23 Jan 1853 Baptism Place   England
Mother   Rossanna Edmonds
Circuit or Register   Isle of Wight Circuit


Not found a Methodist baptism for Rossanna Edmonds she must be on the 1851 census, she may have married after 1852
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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
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The marriage is not on the IoW Family History Database

Yes it is:

1875   William WALL and Mary Catherine EDMUNDS at the Congregational Chapel, High Street, Ventnor   (RO21/179)

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Not on the ones I've seen that give the full date and father's details?

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Re: Edmonds of Carisbrook
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 08 September 24 17:01 BST (UK) »
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Mary Catharine Edmonds
Denomination   Primitive Methodist
Birth 9 Nov 1852 Baptism 23 Jan 1853 Baptism Place   England
Mother   Rossanna Edmonds
Circuit or Register   Isle of Wight Circuit


Not found a Methodist baptism for Rossanna Edmonds she must be on the 1851 census, she may have married after 1852

On Mary Catherine's birth certificate she's Rosena Ann.