Robert and Esther née Jeffs Smith .

[frederickay]

I have just started looking into my friends genealogy . It is confusing as the practice of sharing names between parents and child have made me confused if I am looking at the right generation . If we start with Ernest John smith born April 19 th 1925 in Aberdeen . He married Sylvia rose Ellen Richardson ,Sept 1946  he died in Mirfileld . 2007.
We believe his father to be Robert Smith and possibily Esther Matilda Jeffs are Ernest parents . We are very confused with the children . We think Robert Smith had a child with his boarder . Elizabeth Sims . Child being Robert junior in the 1901 census . There is then a gap.
I don’t know what happen to Elizabeth Sims but Robert smith  senior married Esther Matilda JEFFS in 7 th June 1919.
our confusion now is who are the mothers of ,
 Esther Matilda . 1922-2004
Ernest Jon Smith 1925-2007
Robina 1926-2008 .
The further children my friend personally are Iris and Victor Smith .
I last have Robert senior , Esther and Robert junior smith together in 1928/29 register list . The family lived at times in 6 Hayton Road . I am wondering if there is three mothers ? Any help desperately needed and appreciated. Fred .

[Neale1961]

I don’t know that there should be confusion.
You simply go to Scotland’s People and download the birth, marriage and death certificates
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Victor (age 77) died 2017 - mother’s maiden name Jeffs
Iris (age 85) died 2015 - mother’s maiden name Jeffs
Robina (age 82) died 2008 - - mother’s maiden name Jeffs
Esther Matilda (age 81) died 2004 - mother’s maiden name Jeffs

[Neale1961]

The son named Robert who appears in the 1901 census with his father Robert Smith and the boarder Elizabeth Sim may have his birth registered under the surname Sim in 1901 St Nicholas.

There is a marriage record in 1901 St Nicholas for Robert Smith to Elizabeth Sim.
Have you downloaded that record? That will give her parents names and help you search for her further.

[frederickay]

The confusion is because my friend has no knowledge of an Aunt Robina and that there are several Robert’s ( father and son ) several Esther Matilda ( mother and daughter ) Nicknames that appear to have no relevance . . Cousins that were unknown born in the family home , two wives . But thank you for the helpful hint in regards getting information from Scotland . I will put pen to paper . Thanks . It’s a start . Fred .

[frederickay]

Thank you for that marriage . I will register with Scotland people now . Thanks for the help . Fred

[scotmum]

I think in addition to Robert born 1901, likely as Sim, you might be best also looking at and considering that the following births may also have been children of the 1901 Robert and Elizabeth marriage:

SMITH
JOHN
SIM
M
1904
168 / 1 / 309
St Nicholas


SMITH
GEORGE WISHART
SIM
M
1906
168 / 1 / 1097
St Nicholas


SMITH
MAGDELINA CHALM
SIM
F
1907
168 / 1 / 1647
St Nicholas


SMITH
BIRNIE SIM
SIM
M
1910
168 / 1 / 435
St Nicholas


SMITH
FRANK MILNE
SIM
M
1911
168 / 1 / 926
St Nicholas

with two early deaths being:

SMITH
GEORGE WISHART
9
SIM
M
1916
168 / 1 / 429
St Nicholas


SMITH
BIRNIE SIM
4
SIM
M
1914
168 / 1 / 1104
St Nicholas

and a possible marriage

SMITH
FRANK MILNE
JENKINS
ELSIE MAY
1936
168 / 3 / 336
Aberdeen Eastern District

with likely death:

SMITH
FRANK MILNE
80
SIM
M
1991
304 / 633
Aberdeen

Other likely death:

SMITH
JOHN
79
SIM
M
1983
302 / 413
Aberdeen

and only because of ages, area and surname combination, a look at these deaths might be needed:

SMITH
MARGARET
81
SIM
F
1991
300 / 406
Aberdeen


SMITH
ANN ELIZABETH S
82
SIM
F
1994
301 / 185
Aberdeen

as one of them may have been the 'Betty', you mentioned by PM.

All available at: www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

[scotmum]

Lastly, for now, I would think it worthwhile checking the following, as all have been indexed with same reference number. Whilst various surnames are indexed, none being Smith, given age and location, it might, however unlikely it seems, still be the 'missing' Elizabeth:


SIM
ELIZABETH
34
F
1919
168 / 1 / 557
St Nicholas

CATTO
ELIZABETH SIM
34
F
1919
168 / 1 / 557
St Nicholas




FACHIE
ELIZABETH SIM
34
F
1919
168 / 1 / 557
St Nicholas


MILNE
ELIZABETH SIM
34
F
1919
168 / 1 / 557
St Nicholas


MCKAY
ELIZABETH SIM
34
F
1919
168 / 1 / 557
St Nicholas



Ignore above, this Elizabeth is accounted for in a 1906 marriage to a Peter Fachie.

[Neale1961]

In the 1911 census Elizabeth Smith (nee Sim) is living with her four children , but there does not seem to be the father / husband Robert Smith in the home.

1911 census St Nicholas Aberdeen Ref 168/1 20/ 21
Elizabeth Smith 31
Robert Smith 10
John Smith 7
George Smith 4
Birnie Smith 1

[Neale1961]

1921 census  St Nicholas Aberdeen Ref 168/1 68/ 11
Robert Smith 45
Ether Smith 25
John Smith 17
Frank Smith 9
Female Smith 0