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Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« on: Saturday 21 September 24 20:20 BST (UK) »
I recently discovered that my great aunt's sister married a Russian emigrant, he had emigrated to Canada and was serving in the CEF in WWI but married in London.

His two brothers also emigrated to Canada and served in the CEF and their attestation papers all feature their birth town in Russia but I can't identify it. Please see attached images of the handwritten card and typed card.

Their father was Josef Swatuk.

The town/city has been transcribed on the card as - Demkovzi Podolski Gub.

I can't see a place in modern Russia that matches up. Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 September 24 20:48 BST (UK) »
Searching for Podolski brings results.
Could Demkovzi be part of the surname.
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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 September 24 22:45 BST (UK) »
Good idea but the surname is Swatuk.

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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 22 September 24 07:40 BST (UK) »
Gub is an abbreviation of Guberniya which was the equivalent of Province in Imperial Russia:

https://www.jewishgen.org/ukraine/files/infosheets/_R_Terminology%20for%20Russian%20Administrative%20Divisions.pdf


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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 22 September 24 08:24 BST (UK) »
Good idea but the surname is Swatuk.

Yes, I see that now. The three men are listed here, as Siviatuk, with the same place too.
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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 22 September 24 11:26 BST (UK) »
I've been looking on Wikipedia at a list of Governorates in Imperial Russia, and Podolski seems to be the adjective relating to Podolia, a governorate in what is really south-western Ukraine. Here I get confused about the different administrative divisions, both their names and what was where. I suspect there may have been some letter transposition in the place name, and there's also the issue of Russian vs Ukrainian versions of the names.

Google Maps has found me a village called Demivka close to the southern boundary of the current Vinnytsia Oblast; Wikipedia tells me that the former Vinnitsa Uezd (county) was in Podolia, but I don't know how the Oblast and Uezd relate.

Alternatively, further south the Olgopol Uezd included a town called Demovka, the capital of the Demovka Volost (subcounty), but I haven't found this on a map.

Links here for anyone who may be able to take this further:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podolia_Governorate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnytsia_Oblast
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinnitsa_uezd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olgopol_uezd

Hope this helps.

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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 September 24 14:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks to both for your help. I did a bit of looking on maps without success but what you says make sense so they were from Ukraine, but it looks like names change due to language/spelling.

I'm hoping that theres someone out there who might know where Domkovozi is.

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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 22 September 24 15:13 BST (UK) »
I've also been looking at maps & wiki.

Podolsk(i) seems to have been a district to the south of Moscow.  There are a couple of possible places: Danilovsky District & Donskoy.
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Re: Help needed identifying handwritten location in Russia
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 22 September 24 15:54 BST (UK) »
I looked through all of Safron Swatuk's attestation papers and found some other handwritten address which may help, or may confuse things further. These are the adresses of his parents on his will. Also the surname appears to be different on one of these, written as Kantuk.