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Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« on: Friday 18 October 24 05:42 BST (UK) »
I have a 1565 Admons for Joan Squire of Alton Pancras, Dorset and a 1566 Admons for John Squire of Alton Pancras. 

I'd like to know if there are any other names in these scans and if there is a date when the Admons were processed (if that's the right word) please.

Many thanks
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 October 24 10:08 BST (UK) »
Both grants of administration relate to the estates of people named Joan Squyer (not John). In the first, the name is written Johanne (= of Joan). In the second, it is written Joh(ann)e (= of Joan), with a suspension mark for the missing letters. If either was John, it would be written Johannis, or Joh(ann)is.

65A
On the fourth day of the month of December in the year of the lord one thousand five hundred and sixty-five administration of all and singular the goods, rights and credits of Joan Squyer, deceased, lately of Alton Pancras, a peculiar jurisdiction of the deanery of Sarum, was granted to Edward Squyer, the natural and lawful son of the said deceased, in due form of law etc., who was sworn etc. to well and faithfully administer etc., and he has to present an inventory within the month etc., and to render an account etc.

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On the 19th day of the month of March in the year of lord one thousand five hundred and sixty-five according to the reckoning of the English church [= 19 March 1565/66], administration of all and singular the goods of Joan Squyer, deceased, lately whilst she lived of the parish of Aulton, was granted to Robert Squyer, the natural and lawful son of the said deceased, in due form of law, who was sworn etc., to well and faithfully administer etc., and to render an account etc.

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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 October 24 21:50 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much Bookbox for transcribing both items for me.  It was very kind of you.  Ancestry.com has indexed the second item as John so I will do a correction to that on their website.

I wonder if Edward Squire died and his brother Robert had to take on the administrator's position.  I guess I'll never know.

Thanks again.
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 October 24 22:05 BST (UK) »
Is there any chance there could be 2 x Joan Squyer in Alton? If it was the same estate, you might expect the second administration to refer to the first not having been properly completed. Are there any parish registers that could be checked?


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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 October 24 22:44 BST (UK) »
I suppose there could be two Joan Squires.  The parish registers start in 1674 so no help there. 

When I went to Ancestry to correct their entry of John Squire I noticed that the admons is also indexed under John in the attached record.
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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 October 24 09:44 BST (UK) »
After viewing the extracts from the original that you posted above, I can't agree with Ancestry's entry. It looks like a faulty OCR scan of the published probate Calendar, which is probably not available online while the Internet Archive is down.

Looking again at the original that you posted, I still believe both records are for Joan (or else the clerk had very poor Latin, which is possible but unlikely).

No-one else here has expressed an opinion. If you want another one, you could enquire of the Archive that holds the original Probate Act Book that includes the extracts you posted. They may have other records for that same parish that would help identify the family.

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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 October 24 10:17 BST (UK) »
I agree with Bookbox that this is Joan, not John, which would be Johannis. There was a John Squyer there a bit later, in Common Pleas:

1573 Squyer, John, of Alton Pancras, husbandman, defendant for trespass: close at Alton Pancras alias South Alton (Alton Australl). Plaintiff was John Sticklande. (I see in Google maps that there's an Austral Farm in Alton Pancras.)
https://waalt.uh.edu/index.php/CP40/1316-8:_K-Z

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT5/Eliz/CP40no1318/bCP40no1318dorses/IMG_0065.htm

Quite a lot earlier, in 1492, there was:
Squyer, Robert, of Auleton Pancras, husbandman

http://aalt.law.uh.edu/Indices/CP40Indices/CP40no919/CP40no919Act.htm


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Re: Help with 2 Admons 1560s please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 October 24 09:46 BST (UK) »
Bookbox I'm more than happy to take your advice re two Joan Squyer admons. 

Thank you Vince for your contribution and for reminding me of the aalt website which I've found so helpful in the past.

Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia