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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 31 October 24 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Kay, on 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship. On 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of Silver Bow' again about his citizenship. Interestingly the 1892 document says he said he had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.  As he was not in the 1891 census he must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1891. Millicent, their only child was born May (?)1892.  So then he went back to the US as per the October 1892 court record. Then he came back to  Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.
I have just found out an important point that due to the unemployment in Cornwall he moved to the USA to try and find a better life. In Montana with another friend he planned to run a pub. Obviously his cancer made him return home to family.
James died at an address in Trevenson street which is close to a Wesleyan  chapel in Chapel street but the chapel his wife and daughter and Elizabeth Pascoe are buried in is the Centenary Wesleyan Chapel located at the top of Trelowarren Street.
Kay, again thanks so much for all your research, its been incredibly helpful. Anton

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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 31 October 24 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Glad it's useful - I love a puzzle

I think this is James's brother in law in 1891 who registered his death-   Also living with him is James's father   Address 3, South Terrace, Camborne

Edward   Eudy   30   Steam engine fitter   Camborne
Mary   Eudy   Wife  33 Camborne
Edward John Eudy   8 Camborne, Cornwall, England
Maria ?Eudy   7   Scholar   Camborne, Cornwall, England
Ethel Mary Eudy   5 Camborne, Cornwall, England
John   Rogers   Father in law  Widower 74 Railway gate keeper   Camborne

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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 31 October 24 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Kay, on 18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship. On 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of Silver Bow' again about his citizenship. Interestingly the 1892 document says he said he had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.  As he was not in the 1891 census he must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1891. Millicent, their only child was born May (?)1892.

Millicent was born on 31 May 1891 as the birth cert I posted previously and the death cert I think below :-\

Millicent Thomasine Thomas
Death Age    80
Birth Date    31 May 1891
Registration Date    Apr Qtr 1972
Registration district    Truro
Volume    7a
Page    575

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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 31 October 24 19:57 GMT (UK) »
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #13 on: Friday 01 November 24 12:26 GMT (UK) »
Kay, Osprey
Thanks for the correction Kay and also confirmation of burial Osprey.

I need to slightly readjust his probable travel dates to and from the USA.
He might have travelled to the USA 5 years before 1892 per his statements to the court in 1892. ie in about 1888.
On  18 October 1888 he was in the county of Amader (spelling?), California applying for USA citizenship at the age of 27.
He must have come back after that date to Cornwall to marry Annie Alice Pascoe in Sept 1890.
Millicent, their only child was born May 1891.
He was not found in the 1891 UK census.
He then went back to the USA at some time later as on 11 October 1892 he was in Silver Bow, Montana at the 'District court of the second judicial district of the state of Montana, County of  had resided in the USA for the last 5 years and in Montana for the last 1 year.
Then he came back to  Cornwall possibly in 1894 to die in August 1894.

Millicent Thomasine Roger's husband, Edward Cecil Thomas b  June qtr1890, died March 1955 had a father Henry Thomas and the mother might have been a Mitchell per the birth registration. Would it be stretching the 'friendship' to ask if the Thomas side of the family could be traced back a bit in time as you seem to have access to great records? Edward Cecil Thomas left his wife but never divorced and moved to St Ives where he had another partner.
Thanks again for all your information.
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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #14 on: Friday 01 November 24 20:51 GMT (UK) »
marriage registration
Henry Thomas june qtr 1886 Redruth vol 5c pg 363 with Julia Mitchell on the same page

marriage certificate would confirm names of the fathers & their occupations

Probable 1881 census for Henry, in Penpol Terrace, occupation accountant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-LL44

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFTW-DF9

1861 with father Nicholas
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M78H-RQM

1864 burial of Nicholas
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=burials&id=2528693

birth reg
Henry Thomas march qtr 1858 Redruth vol 5c pg 320 mmn Penaluna

marriage of Nicholas Thomas & Susan Penaluna
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=964777

baptism for Nicholas
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3253720

baptism for Susan
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3550416

marriage of Susan's parents in Sithney
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=1544819
(the witness, William Russell, was the parish clerk & my 4xggrandfather)

1881 census for Julia Mitchell
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27H-LLYL

1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFT7-TRF

Baptism shows Julia's mother as Elizabeth Emma, not Cecilia as per wife in 1871 & 1881
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=6776805

birth reg
Julia Mitchell march qtr 1858 Redruth vol 5c pg 313 mmn Mills

marriage of father Joseph
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/marriages/?forename1=joseph+a&multiname=1&surname1=mitchell&bf=Search

death reg of Elizabeth Emma
Elizabeth Emma Mitchell 32 march qtr 1862 Redruth vol 5c pg 213

2nd marriage
Joseph Arthur T Mitchell sept qtr 1868 Redruth vol 5c pg 350 with Cecilia Dunn on the same page

Opc database - transcribed & indexed records
https://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/person-search/





 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Rogers and Thomas family search
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 02 November 24 04:37 GMT (UK) »
Osprey
Thank you so much for all this information! I have my head down and now able to follow further back.
William Russel - what a coincidence but doing the various family histories I have found that so often the histories of different families have links. As the parish clerk, William's name must be on hundreds of certificates.
Interesting seeing the name Penaluna come up. Have done a quick read up on its origin and seems its based around or from Cornwall and the story is its from Spanish traders/sailors (tin?) who settled there and some even claim its from the armada but there is no proof of the latter.
Again, thanks for all your time.
Anton