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Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« on: Monday 02 December 24 19:43 GMT (UK) »
I'd like some help with the Latin in this probate record - both the transcript and translation. Image attached and my attempt below.
Thanks.

xviij die Marcij Anno dni 1549 comper... Thomas Gantlet
et exhib..t Om.etarum bonorum Roberti Gauntlet Dn vixit de
Wellow Winton dioc per via in testat deceden eo q.. Katerina Gauntlet
executrix noiata in testo dicti defunct ab hac luce[?] migran..t an
sustepta in se administrato bonorum dict defuncti dis
........ administrac... bonorum Thome Gantlet filio naturali
dicti defuncti in forma iure iurata


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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 December 24 20:45 GMT (UK) »
xviijo die Marcij Anno d(omi)ni 1549 comp(ar)uit Thomas Gantle[t]

et exhibuit Inventariu(m) bonor(um) Roberti Gauntlet du(m) vixit de

Wellow Winton’ dioc(esi) p(er) via(m) intestat(i) deceden(tis) eo q(uod) Katerina Gauntlet

executrix no(m)i(n)ata in tes(tamen)to dicti defunct(i) ab hac luce migrav(er)it an(te)

suscepta(re) in se adm(ini)strac(i)o(n)em bonor(um) dicti defuncti, d(omin)us

com(m)isit adm(ini)stracio(n)em bonor(um) Thome Gantlet filio na(tura)li

dicti defuncti in forma iur(is) iurato


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On the 18th day of March in the year of the Lord 1549 Thomas Gantlet appeared and submitted an inventory of the goods of Robert Gauntlet, whilst he lived of Wellow in the diocese of Winchester, who died as if intestate because Katherine Gauntlet, the executrix named in the will of the said deceased, passed away from this light [= died] before undertaking for herself the administration of the goods of the said deceased; the Master granted administration of the goods to Thomas Gantlet, the natural son of the said deceased, who was sworn in form of law.

Note - in a couple of places the name may be written Ganntlet rather than Gauntlet.

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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 December 24 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much, Bookbox, that's really helpful.
 
I still have a puzzle over dates as the Will is dated 18 Feb 1550 and the archive ref is 1550, but the Inventory and Admin are both earlier - 9 Aug 1549 and 18 March 1549 (though the '4' is oddly formed). 
Images attached.  Any ideas?

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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 December 24 23:45 GMT (UK) »
I agree this is a puzzle. The date in the first line of the will (if I'm reading it correctly) seems to be

M ccccc L the xviijth day of ffebruarie.

I take this to be 18 February 1550, which would be 1551 in the modern calendar. But I think this is not the original will but a later copy, because it isn’t signed by the testator or the witnesses. All the names at the end are in the same hand.

The date of the inventory, apparently 9 August 1549, and of the administration, granted 18 March 1549/50, are consistent with each other, but not with the will, even allowing for the year beginning on 25 March. Yet the contents do suggest that all 3 documents relate to the same person.

All I can suggest is that the date given in the first line of the will is the date this copy was made, and not the date the original will was written. But I can’t say I have ever seen this before.

Hampshire Archives have catalogued the will as 1550, as you would expect, since administration was granted in that year. But you might run it past them and ask their opinion about the date of the will itself? I see there are no parish registers for Wellow before 1570.


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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for looking into this, Bookbox.  I agree the will looks like a copy and it's that date that appears to be in error.  Nevertheless it's been a useful find for me as it suggests the two Johns are his children - their children given the same bequest as Elene and Thomas, and 26 of his 'childrens children' given 6s 8d in the inventory, so it's taken me one step further back. 

I do transcripts of wills and put them on ancestry and my website https://ibequeath.wordpress.com/  Would it be OK with you to include your translation of the admin, credited to you? It adds useful info to the picture.

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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 15:08 GMT (UK) »
Would it be OK with you to include your translation of the admin, credited to you? It adds useful info to the picture.

Of course, that's fine, thanks for asking. I suggest you just credit it to RootsChat.

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Re: Latin Probate of Robert Gauntlet
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 December 24 19:02 GMT (UK) »
OK, will do, thanks.