Hamilton James Wiley b: 1845 Wellington, NZ d: 1917 Utah, USA

[Isabel Griggs]

Hi again 
... not sure how much info you already have for this family, so adding following in case it's of interest.

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE11257436

^  Above is link to the NZ Army file for namesake son of H J WILEY - although son's record (and some electoral roll entries and other items) show he was also known as James Hamilton Walter WILEY.
The NZ birth index reveals an 1881 birth registration (however on NZ Army file his d.o.b. is given as
"1 - 6 - 1887 " ) :
This man married as James Hamilton Walter WILEY in NZ in 1917 to Eileen May WILTON.    He died in NZ on 21 November 1931 and is buried at Masterton.

  Thanks, Lucy, for the link and information.
Isabel

[shellyesq]

It looks like Hamilton became a US citizen in August 1917, a few months before he died.  https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-logan-republican/160323908/

In case you haven't seen it, Hamilton's death certificate is here - https://axaemarchives.utah.gov/cgi-bin/indexesresults.cgi?RUNWHAT=IDXFILES&KEYPATH=IDX208420061080

There are mentions of his funeral here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160323985/ and here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160324070/

[Isabel Griggs]

It looks like Hamilton became a US citizen in August 1917, a few months before he died.  https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-logan-republican/160323908/

In case you haven't seen it, Hamilton's death certificate is here - https://axaemarchives.utah.gov/cgi-bin/indexesresults.cgi?RUNWHAT=IDXFILES&KEYPATH=IDX208420061080

There are mentions of his funeral here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160323985/ and here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160324070/

Much appreciated for the links and information given
Isabel

[Lucy2]

Hi Isabel

I've given you links that you can use yourself, to establish if the father and his three sons you've mentioned, arrived in New Zealand.

The "New Zealand Passenger lists" at the familysearch.org website, are rather time-consuming to sift through, and I'm afraid I don't have time to do that for you.  [Did look fleetingly at them, but nothing obvious popped up.]
Also, because these NZ Passenger lists were mainly for immigration purposes (recording persons who had arrived here as part of the immigration schemes used by the provincial governments of the colony (NZ) to populate the country), there is unlikely to be very many lists for outward-bound USA.
[Immigrants to NZ came largely from Great Britain, Ireland and Europe. ]

You might like to try USA lists for information on passenger departures.   

   ~   Lu

Edited for clarity

[Lucy2]

Hello again Isabel

I'm just curious ...    ...  can you tell us please why the dates of possible travel to NZ you've given for these WILEY men, is significant ??

Why are you wanting travel information, specifically ?? 

   ~  Lu

[Isabel Griggs]

Hello again Isabel

I'm just curious ...    ...  can you tell us please why the dates of possible travel to NZ you've given for these WILEY men, is significant ??

Why are you wanting travel information, specifically ?? 

 Hello, thanks for all the information that you have given so far, much appreciated.
A few reasons: I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒
I wondered if they ever came back to NZ. Family stories told that at least one of the sons came back. I think it had something to do with the Mormons, but went back again around 1924/25 or even 1926? If I remember correctly, it was Joseph but now sure.

[Lucy2]

Hello, thanks for all the information that you have given so far, much appreciated.

A few reasons: I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒

Reply :   Travelling from America ... to Hawaii ... is that what you mean ??
If that's the case, then it's departure records from America that you need to look at.   And/or ... entry into Hawaii records.  [~ Lu]

I wondered if they ever came back to NZ. Family stories told that at least one of the sons came back. I think it had something to do with the Mormons, but went back again around 1924/25 or even 1926? If I remember correctly, it was Joseph but now sure.

Reply :    Again, you are much more likely to find these people in departure and entry passenger lists for America.    (As explained earlier, NZ only holds very minimal records for persons arriving here from USA.)  [~ Lu]

As already mentioned here earlier, the son Hamilton James (known as "James") served in the NZ Army - WW1, and married and died in NZ.     Three of his sisters were also living in NZ by 1931 when brother Rudolph died in USA.

You may get some assistance if you post on the USA board ??

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

....    I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒

Hello again

Perhaps you got the information from "Honolulu, Hawaii, US, Ariving and Departure Passenger and Crew Lists"  ??  (Records available at ancestry.com website.  Pay per view - or your local library or somesuch may have a subscription to that website where you can view records ? )

I don't have a subscription to USA sites, so can't help further ... but I can see 7or 8 index listings (Hawaii) for a " James H. WILEY  " (actual years are not shown on index).

[Notes :   I note on US census returns, Hamilton James WILEY (bc 1845 - NZ) was only listed as "James" WILEY (had dropped the first name of "Hamilton").   So other records for him may have "James" as a preferred name ??    )

Also, you could try FamilySearch website for USA records.

   ~  Lu

[shellyesq]

There's a Hawaiian passenger list from 1907 that fits Hamilton Wiley.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9Z-MPL5