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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 December 24 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Not anywhere near Balmain, however there is a Thomas ROBISON of Watercourse, Moree registering a  cattle brand in 1890. (Of course, the drunk and disorderly in Balmain doesn't necessarily mean he was living there.)

eg:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223597559/14006196
(page 1764, under "T")

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 07 December 24 00:59 GMT (UK) »
The 1861 UK census has Thomas father Robert as a cattle dealer/salesman as is Thomas. 1871 census has Thomas as cattlesalesman , Liverpool, so most likely the Thomas Robison on the 1874 passenger list as Farmer would be him. Whoever wrote the passenger list would hear Cattle and decided to write Farmer?
Can't find him on any census 1890/1901/1910 in Aus so he may have worked for a stock agent and travelled around NSW.
Any suggestions as to why his wife and child didn't come to Aus? Someone knew his parents names when the information was given on his death cert.
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PASFIELD: Essex, London
SHAW/STANLEY: Co Waterford,Ireland, Australia

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 07 December 24 03:16 GMT (UK) »
The story that's been handed down to us is that Thomas was an alcoholic so the family gave him some money and sent him to Australia. His wife died in Scotland in 1896, but I've no idea if he ever remarried.

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 December 24 07:01 GMT (UK) »
Many older men died from senile decay i.e. dementia and were placed in Asylums. Perhaps his drinking was a factor but still a sad state of affairs if true.
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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 December 24 08:32 GMT (UK) »
Doesn't help with his time in Australia, but you may have seen these advertisements eg:
Saturday,  Jan. 20, 1872
Publication: Isle Of Man Times

He was also nominated for a constable for West Derby in 1871
Saturday,  Feb. 18, 1871
Publication: Liverpool Mercury

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 December 24 19:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for that maddys52 :)
Can I ask you how you found the one from the Liverpool Mercury, about being nominated as a constable?

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 07 December 24 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi.
If we take "suceeded to the business" to mean taken over, which I believe to be the correct meaning of the term, then this little snip is of interest.

December 1874.
Looks like Robert ROBISON has resumed the management of the business by this description of him..
Sorry I cannot add more from the item. (No sub)
Perhaps we see the "sending away " of Thomas in the intervening couple of years which fits with his 1874 arrival.

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 December 24 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Thanks sparrett, you're right - I didn't notice Robert seems to be in charge again - although this one says he is a sheep dealer. Is it the same business?  :-\
4 April 1874
Publication: Liverpool Weekly courier

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Re: Drunk and disorderly: further info?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 08 December 24 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for that maddys52 :)
Can I ask you how you found the one from the Liverpool Mercury, about being nominated as a constable?

I generally look up old newspapers using my Australian National Library Card which gives me access from home to their eresources. These include Gale Primary Sources, which includes British Library Newspapers. which is where the Liverpool Mercury reference was.

I also look up newspapers using findmypast, though I don't have a subscription. They have some newspapers available to view for free (eg the snip above), but also a pay per view option.