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Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« on: Monday 13 January 25 07:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi, my grandfather Samuel Owen, born 1885 Renton Dunbartonshire, was a pre 1st WW regular in the 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers 6999 later 60100. With the help of this site and my own research I have built up a good record of his service.
He entered service in France 6th October 1914.
I know he was captured and spent many years in German POW Camps being repatriated a number of months after the end of the War.
Doing some further research on other Owen family, I found further info on Samuel on the 1921 Census for England, here Samuel is noted on that census as being with the 1st Battalion RSF at Headquarters Tullamore Kings Co Ireland.
I know my grandfather spent time in Erskine Hospital for wounded servicemen and died in the Red Cross Hospital Paisley in 1935. Noted on death certificate as an Army Pensioner. Would he have been moved to another battalion after the War? I believe he was discharged 1922?
regards
Tommy Owen
Owen/s, Miller, McMillan, Hamilton, Clarke, McCafferty, Rowe, Sinclair, Jamieson. Hanson/Hansen.

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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 January 25 09:34 GMT (UK) »
looks like he was over in Ireland with 1RSF

THE ROYAL SCOTS FUSILIERS
– Regimental Events

In 1919 the Prince of Wales was appointed Colonel in Chief of the Royal Scots Fusiliers – the Regiment’s first. In 1923 the rank of Fusilier was authorised in Army Order 222 of that year : previously the official title had been Private.

1RSF – Home Service 1919-32

The 1st Battalion, reduced to a cadre, left Germany in May 1919. After a brief stay in Ayr the cadre moved to Fort Matilda, Greenock and absorbed 3 RSF to form a full strength 1st Battalion. 1 RSF moved to Bordon later in the same year.

Ireland 1921-22

The Battalion was sent to Ireland in January 1921 for operations in aid of the Civil Power during the Troubles. Following the settlement with the Irish leaders 1 RSF left Ireland in 1922. Entraining at the Curragh to move to Dublin for embarkation, it was the last British unit to leave that once-famous camp.

In the UK

The Battalion served at Edinburgh, Portsmouth and Bordon.

1RSF – Overseas Service 1932-39

1 RSF’s overseas tour began in Palestine in 1932. Later that year it was transferred to Egypt where it served for 4 years. 1936 saw a sudden return to Palestine when trouble between Jews and Arabs escalated into the ‘Arab Revolt’. The Battalion was deployed in support of the Civil Power and fought several small actions until the Revolt ended in October 1936. At the end of that year the Battalion was moved to India. It was still there when the Second World War broke out in September 1939.

2RSF – Overseas Service 1919-32

2 RSF left Germany in April 1919 and was briefly at Aldershot before moving to Constantinople to join the British Army of the Black Sea.

In March 1920 it was sent to the port of Novorossiysk in South Russia. Its duties were to help keep peace in the town and to assist in the evacuation of White Russian soldiers and civilians. By the end of March it was back in Constantinople, its duty done.

At the end of 1920 the Battalion moved to India serving in Barrackpore, Sialkot, Landi Kotal and Ferozepore.

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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 January 25 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Ady.
Owen/s, Miller, McMillan, Hamilton, Clarke, McCafferty, Rowe, Sinclair, Jamieson. Hanson/Hansen.

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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Just in case you don´t have this
Its from the Inernational red cross archive

Archives 1914-1918: during the First World War, 10 million people, servicemen or civilians, were captured and sent to detention camps.

The belligerent countries involved provided lists of prisoners to the ICRC, which created an index card for each prisoner and detainee. Now, you can search through all 5 million of them


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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 09:28 GMT (UK) »
This is the page linked to the index card

https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/2491953/698/21521/

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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 15:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Davecapps much appreciated

Tommy
Owen/s, Miller, McMillan, Hamilton, Clarke, McCafferty, Rowe, Sinclair, Jamieson. Hanson/Hansen.

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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 16:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi, my grandfather Samuel Owen, born 1885 Renton Dunbartonshire, was a pre 1st WW regular in the 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers 6999 later 60100. With the help of this site and my own research I have built up a good record of his service.
He entered service in France 6th October 1914.
I know he was captured and spent many years in German POW Camps being repatriated a number of months after the end of the War.
Doing some further research on other Owen family, I found further info on Samuel on the 1921 Census for England, here Samuel is noted on that census as being with the 1st Battalion RSF at Headquarters Tullamore Kings Co Ireland.
I know my grandfather spent time in Erskine Hospital for wounded servicemen and died in the Red Cross Hospital Paisley in 1935. Noted on death certificate as an Army Pensioner. Would he have been moved to another battalion after the War? I believe he was discharged 1922?
regards
Tommy Owen


Incorrect Number Quoted at Enlistment
It was 9666 per his 1914 Mons Star

As he appears to have been Discharged after 1920, per your Research- then his Army Records still Exist with the MOD for you to apply for to get the answer you want.
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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 16:59 GMT (UK) »

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..then his Army Records still Exist with the MOD for you to apply for to get the answer you want.

https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-records-of-service/apply-for-the-records-of-a-deceased-serviceperson


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Re: Samuel Owen 2nd Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 January 25 17:11 GMT (UK) »


CHAPMAN ROBINSON McKAY O'MALLEY