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Re: Who's the Father?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 02 February 25 09:29 GMT (UK) »
As John McDonnell (or M'Donnell - watch for variations!) is variously a gentleman farmer, and ship owner, he should have substantial property, and one would expect his father to have had too.
Two addresses are mentioned: Gruig and Cushendall. 

This suggests to me searching in Griffith's Valuation for John and/or his father. GV for Antrim was published in 1861.
e.g. in Gruig I see two McDonnells, Randal and Daniel - but neither has a house, and only small plots of land. Multiple McDonnells in Cushendall. Elsewhere in civil parish of Layd I see McDonnell and O'Neills sharing ownership of over 1,000 acres.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 02 February 25 10:14 GMT (UK) »
24th June 1834 - Randall McDonald holding corn mill and kiln in Cushendall - at roughly the time John was born.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246939_00437.pdf
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Who's the Father?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 02 February 25 10:44 GMT (UK) »


That John is the son of the Randall McDonnell on the family tree in my first post.  Thanks for your help.

So who was that Randall married to, and when?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown&Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh&Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee&Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough&Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson&Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry&Oulart;WALSH Kilrane&Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Who's the Father?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 02 February 25 13:29 GMT (UK) »


That John is the son of the Randall McDonnell on the family tree in my first post.  Thanks for your help.

So who was that Randall married to, and when?

I don't know. Most of the information for this tree comes from the will of John McDonnell 1876

In his will he left a legacy to 'John son of my brother Randal McDonnell'.


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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 02 February 25 13:36 GMT (UK) »
I have a possible marriage from 6 Feb 1865 (Cushendall RC)

Randal McDonnell aged 28 years farmer of Falnaglass son of Randall McDonnell farmer to Alicia McKillip aged 23 farmer's daughter of Tavnahan? dau of Robert McKillip deceased
Witnesses - Michl McKillip & John Carroll

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 02 February 25 13:48 GMT (UK) »
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« Reply #15 on: Sunday 02 February 25 15:09 GMT (UK) »


Dau Bridget 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03350/2228164.pdf

You mean Beatrice.

...and married to Frances O'Neill in Belfast in 1888. Her father John J McDonnell, a shipowner.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10772/5928855.pdf

Frances' occupation on 1888 m/c is Merchant

Wondering if this is a possibility for Elizabeth McDonnell's death from PRONI Probate 26 July 1911

Elizabeth McDONNELL died 31 March 1910, widow late of Maureen Cottage Andersonstown Belfast  Granted to Francis O’NEILL, Merchant
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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 02 February 25 15:29 GMT (UK) »


Dau Bridget 1870
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03350/2228164.pdf

You mean Beatrice.

...and married to Frances O'Neill in Belfast in 1888. Her father John J McDonnell, a shipowner.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10772/5928855.pdf

Frances' occupation on 1888 m/c is Merchant

Wondering if this is a possibility for Elizabeth McDonnell's death from PRONI Probate 26 July 1911

Elizabeth McDONNELL died 31 March 1910, widow late of Maureen Cottage Andersonstown Belfast  Granted to Francis O’NEILL, Merchant

This is a great find, thankyou

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Re: Who's the Father?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 02 February 25 15:37 GMT (UK) »

Looking for the father (and mother) of a McDonnell family in Co Antrim

The Will (with one Codicil) of John M'Donnell late of Cushendall County Antrim Ship Owner deceased who died 16 July 1876 at same place was proved at Belfast 28 Oct 1876 by the oath of James Delargy junior of Cushendall Innkeeper the Executor. Effects less than £3000

Using the will and other sources I was able to construct a tree as below -

Have you found his marriage to Elizabeth as that should provide you with both father’s name?

His 1876 death, married, present at death May/Mary McNiell she made her mark
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1876/020578/7220445.pdf

Not found their marriage  ??? Was her father named James Kane?

1885 James KANE present at death dau Elizabeth McDONNELL, Gruig 
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06290/4802487.pdf
Added - there's no image to view on PRONI but it does say letters of administration of personal estate granted at Belfast to Arthur KANE of Cushendall, Sea Captain a child

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1871 marriage for an
Arthur Kane, 35, Sea Captain, father James occ Farmer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11342/8163356.pdf

Arthur Kane  Age 28 Birth Cushendall, Antrim
Issue Date   9 Aug 1864 Issue Port Dublin Certificate Number   31.791
UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
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