Missing on 1841 Census - John Buckley (born Saddleworth) probably in Delph.

[Tittensor ONS]

Hello, I cannot find my ancestor John Buckley on the 1841 census.  I hope that someone here can help (please).

He was John Buckley.  I have found him on the 1851, 1861 and 1871 census (in Oldham) which all show he was born c1810 in Saddleworth (or Quick).

He married Hannah Buckley (minor) at Rochdale parish church on 09 May 1839.  The censuses show that Hannah was also born in Saddleworth (or Quick).  From 1851 and 1861 her year of birth is c1820, but c1813 from 1871 and c1818 from 1881.

The 1851 census shows several children, including John Buckley (age 11 born Quick) and Samuel Buckley (age 9 born Quick).

I have a birth certificate for Sam Buckley born 24 April 1841 at Hey Bank, nr. Delph son of John publican & Hannah Buckley formerly Buckley.  This birth is just weeks before the 1841 census was taken.  However I have looked on the Ancestry census indexes and failed to find them.  Can anyone help please?

John is on my Ancestry tree here if it helps:  https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/202600237/person/272639749806/facts

Thanks.

Paul Tittensor

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[LizzieL]

Piece number 1279, Book number 8, Folio number 27, Page number 9

has two children of right age but John and Hannah's ages are too young. There is also a child Mary with the family. John's occ seems to be clothier though

[heywood]

That looks very possible.
John is 30 yrs b abt 1811 and Hannah is 25 yrs. Ages were rounded down in 1841. John is 2 yrs and Sam - 1 yr which wouldn’t fit though.
Mary Buckley, 12 yrs is shown as F S so maybe a sister or relative.

Added
I can’t see this John in the tree link you have given.

[LizzieL]

Sam would be 1 month and a few days, maybe the enumerator made a mistake and thought 1 month on John's form was 1 year

[LizzieL]

The John on your link seems to be married to Elizabeth not Hannah

[Tittensor ONS]

Hello, Lizzie and Heywood - thanks for your speedy replies.

I will look at your findings ASAP.

This is a link to the correct John:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/199194609/person/432659968802/facts

Ironically the first, incorret link that I posted is to a tree to coolect information on "the wrong Buckleys" to help avoid confusion.  It appears not to be working.

Thanks again,

Paul

[LizzieL]

The Ruth Chadwick who appears with the family in1851 as niece, is the daughter of james Chadwick and Betty nee Buckley. They married in 1837, fortunately in the second half of the year, her father is recorded as James Buckley, so Betty is Hannah's sister. Likely baptisms for the the two girls with father James and mother Elisabeth / Betty. Betty bapt Oldham 04 Apr 1818, born 09 Mar 1818. Hannah Saddleworth bapt 18 May 1823 born 06 Aug 1822.

[Tittensor ONS]

Hello, thank you very much for your help.

I think that is a very good match.  It is always creates some doubt when details like occupation and age (1 month vs 1 year appear).  John's occupation was manufacturer on his marriage certificate in 1839, and woollen weaver on his daughter Alice's birth in 1844, which are similar to clothier in this census record.  I was surprised to see him as a publican on son Sam's birth certificate in April 1841.

What do you think his residence is on the census entry that you found?  Acres??

It isn't Hey Bank, the address that he gave when he registered Sam's birth 5 weeks before the census.  I checked the enumerator's schedule and that doesn't mention Hey Bank.  I also looked at every address in book 8 and there is no Hey Bank.  It must be in one of the other books covering Delph.  It seems strange that they moved weeks after the birth.

Thanks again for your help,

Paul

[Tittensor ONS]

Lizzie, thank you so much for finding the Chadwick connection.  Excellent work :-).

That will provide some extra leads that might help untangle the complicated Buckley web in Saddleworth.

Thanks,

Paul